wtf with all this hate to summoners?

[HamHam]

The ignorance of ppl. I outdamaged my party on Garuda when I did 100k+ damaged and everyone else was under 70k. Yes, it parsed the dot, pet damage and my damage.

Go ahead and quit because a summoner is in your party. Cause guess what? you don't deserve us!!!

[Kraggy]

SMN is FFXIV are sufferimg just like they did in FFXI .. I suspect a lot of the lomsmn attitude here has been brought over from XI by the same elitist jerks who made SMN life a pain there.

[Jennestia]

SMN is FFXIV are sufferimg just like they did in FFXI .

Huh? SMN isn't suffering in XI nor has it since 2004.

[CatofNineTails]

the problem with summoners is the players using them not the job. many and i mean many simply don't care that they are pulling mobs off the tanks which makes the entire dungeon a pain to run with loose mobs trying to kill the healer when the mob switches from the summon to the summoner and the healer keeps them alive.

for every one summoner who takes the time to synch themselves with the party there are ten who simply do whatever they feel like the entire time. the same is true of archers there are ten archers who think "wow I can pull any mob from a tank LOOK AT ME I"M GREAT!!!!" while forgetting that a party is supposed to work together to get the job done efficiently and quickly. its not pull all the junk mobs all over the place making the healer waste mana keeping the damage dealer from dieing to those same junk mobs they keep breaking free from the tanks.

[ShinTofu]

They dont have burst damage so for certain fight AK first bosses mini golems and 2nd boss flies having on feels painful since it's much harder to drop the adds fast like u need to. If you have s bad smn or bad tank that forces a smn to only dot one mob at a time their dps on trash can be bad too. Their dps is fine on large single target when their dots have time to tick through.

[HamHam]

Some SMN seems to have a problem with using Bane. It spreads your dots to others mobs in an area. But many SMN don't even use it. I've seen it when I play other jobs and in AK or Wandered Palace and we have a smn in the group and they don't use it. They are only hurting their dmg output and at the same time making those who are main SMN look bad.

[savant07]

Summoners have the highest DPS in the game. The reason people hate summoners was because of the initial parser results which showed them to be the lowest DPS but it didn't calculate the DoTs correctly. Now parsers are working and summoners are finally concluded as highest DPS output out of all classes. Problem is...first impressions last and so a lot of ignorant idiots out there still think summoners are low DPS.

Ignore them. That's all you can do.

Summoners are highly sought after in good groups. They may even be more sought after than bards since they currently do 30-50% more DPS than any other DPS class.

[KujinRen]

Summoners have the highest DPS in the game. The reason people hate summoners was because of the initial parser results which showed them to be the lowest DPS but it didn't calculate the DoTs correctly. Now parsers are working and summoners are finally concluded as highest DPS output out of all classes. Problem is...first impressions last and so a lot of ignorant idiots out there still think summoners are low DPS.

Ignore them. That's all you can do.

Summoners are highly sought after in good groups. They may even be more sought after than bards since they currently do 30-50% more DPS than any oth%r DPS class.

Unfortunately, there aren't any accurate parsers out there at the moment. Currently, Summoner's damage parse somehow includes everyone else's DoTs from his/her group.

I started getting curious when a group of friends did HM Ifrit with me. The Summoner had died halfway through the fight. He was never rezzed back up therefore he was out half the fight. In the end, it showed him at over 120,000 damage done while the 2nd runner up did 79,000 damage. I told myself this doesn't seem right.

The only somewhat accurate way to parse a Summoner right now is to take him straight to the practice dummies and let him and only him DPS the dummy for a few minutes. Record your data. Next, have another DPS parse. Now compare the data of the practice dummies to the data you would see in an Ifrit run. You'll see a significant difference.

Summoners are NOT shitty DPS, however they're also not as high as some people think due to inaccurate parsers.

[savant07]

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You could test it solo on a dummy and know that your DPS is around 300-350 with full dark light and relic

[ArcheDragon]

It sorta feels like the SMN players here are just as bad as those that quit. All I keep seeing is "I'm great. SMN isn't bad, all of the other players are." I feel that it is a weaker class. It may have decent dps but it requires more work to get the dps rolling and other times you can't get it at all or at least not very effectively. Besides that you also have to control your pet or let the AI freak out which makes this class even harder.

I don't agree with people for leaving because of one but I'm not so biased towards my SMN to not see its shortcomings. It is (to a lesser degree) like the elementalist from GW2. It takes more skill to be good with it and that makes it a worse class overall because if you have to choose between consistent level of play from DRG or inconsistent skill level from SMN then a wise choice is to take the consistency. Again, I don't think that should be reason enough to be ***holes but I do see the point trying to be made.

And nobody likes to use bane because it sucks. It has the range of my pinky finger.

P.S. HamHam, you are no better than the people discussed in this thread when you make comments like your first one. "You aren't perfect? You find something difficult? My class is too good for you, go somewhere else."