DoH, leveling priorities

[Simaril]

Is leveling 5 DoH at the same time too much?

Gauge of my leveling rate: I’ve been playing since a few days after release and am currently 25CNJ, 8THM, 25WVR, 21GSM, 19BSM, 19CRP, 17LTW, 17ARM, 17CUL, 15ALC, 20BTN, 17MIN, 7FSH. At this rate am I going to get to 50 before they raise the level cap? I’d like to do some raiding as WHM (50CNJ, 27THM, 34ARC?), eventually, and I’d also like to be able to make whatever the most useful endgame gear is for myself. It seems like leveling my DoH with, or slightly ahead of my battle classes is ideal, since you often access materials around the time you need them, and the gear you make is most useful at the earliest level you can use it.

While every DoH has use, I’m finding WVR GSM very useful, and CRP LTW BSM slightly less useful. MIN and BTN have just naturally leveled through my need for materials so far, and keep costs down, while generating revenue.


I feel like HQ crafting tools and HQ crafting gear are very valuable, so being able to make your own is important. WVR stands out immediately – especially if I’m doing a DoL or two and CNJ (and I am).

WVR needs needles, made by GSM, which also happens to make some useful DoL, DoH, DoM gear. So maybe those are good/best DoH to focus on first?

Following that logic, I want CRP so I can make WVR and GSM wheels… and because it seems useful for my class - CNJ.

Meanwhile BSM, makes a pile of tools, particularly those for MIN BTN, and uses a lot of the wood my CRP makes.

LTW seems somewhat secondary, although WVR constantly needs leather, and there’s a couple gear slots LTW fills (waist, feet, neck?) there is an economic component to this question; price of HQ leather vs price of skin to craft myself...



ALC also seems pretty secondary, but makes CNJ relic? I’m not going to get to 50 super fast, so I’m not that worried about having ALC at 50 asap.

ARM seems like a lot of effort for just a couple tools since I won’t be using the gear.

CUL seems worthless, especially if food is underwhelming, AND market board is cheaper than mats. Except HQ food, and using crap I find along the way…

Also neglecting FSH

[NeoZehel]

I'm stuck in the same boat as well. I wanted to avoid the Auction House and make/ gather my own materials.

[Jess_Spark]

I do it...focusing on fishing to build my leves for Tailoring right now...but i'm in the 20's with most of my professions and my main class...Part of the fun tho...Love leveling and being self sufficient...

[Vyniea]

In my opinion, getting Culinarian to 37 is the first thing anybody who plan to do serious crafting should do.

Steady Hands 2 and Hasty Touch are both way too good to pass on.

[RyuPower]

you also want to get
Alchemist level 15
Tricks of the Trade
Restores 20 CP. Can only be used when material status is good


very helpful

[Myrdyn_Wyldt]

CRAFT MOAR!!

Seriously though, I am currently CRP 26, BSM 22, ARM 21, GSM 25, LTW 25, WVR 25, ALC 26, and CUL 21 (as well as BOT 22, MIN 23, and FSH 22) and I intend to hit lvl 50 on all crafting classes in the same week (and knock that self-styled Queen of Crafting who only has 3 classes off her throne... )

If you have the time, and enjoy crafting there is no reason to not level them all, and if you intend to level them all, there is no reason to not level them at the same time. You may run out of inventory space on your retainers, but you will save some in your armory chest

Only 3 classes? I mean that's what I have atm and I would never call myself a queen of crafting or anything of the sort, especially knowing there are many people with 4-5-6 classes maxed on my server.

That's what I thought too... A pretender to the throne, if there ever was one!

Seriously though, I'm on a non-legacy server, so 3 lvl 50 craft classes already is impressive, but it gave me cause to act indignant in voice chat when I saw her ad shouts in Ulda last night

[Vyniea]

CRAFT MOAR!!

Seriously though, I am currently CRP 26, BSM 22, ARM 21, GSM 25, LTW 25, WVR 25, ALC 26, and CUL 21 (as well as BOT 22, MIN 23, and FSH 22) and I intend to hit lvl 50 on all crafting classes in the same week (and knock that self-styled Queen of Crafting who only has 3 classes off her throne... )

If you have the time, and enjoy crafting there is no reason to not level them all, and if you intend to level them all, there is no reason to not level them at the same time. You may run out of inventory space on your retainers, but you will save some in your armory chest

Only 3 classes? I mean that's what I have atm and I would never call myself a queen of crafting or anything of the sort, especially knowing there are many people with 4-5-6 classes maxed on my server.

[Gamemako]

It's really hard to assign a perfect order, but it's clear that you should get everything but ARM and maybe GSM to 15 pretty early on. ARM gets Rapid, which is kinda blah, and GSM gets Manipulation, which is just a more efficient version of Master's Mend I. Otherwise, though...

CRP 15 -- Rumination. No drawbacks, awesome skill. You want ASAP.
WVR 15 -- Careful Synthesis. Almost no drawback unless you're in that gap between 90% not completing a synth and 100% completing the synth. Useful especially when leveling.
CUL 15 -- Hasty Touch. Combine with Inner Quiet to push your Control to astronomical levels.
LTW 15 -- Waste Not. Pretty meh at endgame, but excellent while leveling. Generally gets you 15 dura for 56 CP, which is two full synths unless you tried to hit the ability twice. Cheap enough that you can afford it with earlier gear.

Eventually, you'll also need

BSM 15 -- Ingenuity. Almost essential for endgame crafting. Feel free to skip until then.
ALC 15 -- Tricks of the Trade. OK while leveling, but especially shines at endgame.

As you get later, you'll really want

CRP 50 -- Byregot's Blessing. Hasty/manipulation/tricks spam for building control, pop Byregot on Good or Excellent. Get it before SE nerfs it into the ground and HQ gets harder.
CUL 37 -- Steady Hands II. Very useful for obvious reasons.
GSM 50 -- Innovation. Again, endgame skill for increasing chances of that final 100% HQ pop. Good skill. Helps conserve dura later when you're aiming to pop Byregot.

Also kinda nice to have on occasion, but nonessential:

CUL 50 -- Reclaim. I guess it's OK if you're big on risks. It gives you the chance to go nuts with Hasty and hit the reset button if things don't go your way, but it's not 100% success, and I'm not all that keen on even a 10% chance to lose 150,000 gil worth of Coke. Would be great for making one-stars if there were a market for them. But alas....
WVR 50 -- Careful Synthesis II. Good, but not essential.
ALC 50 -- Comfort Zone. Small CP regen ability. Good to have. Wastes a step with an effective CP gain over time, giving you more time for Tricks procs and saving dura for Control boosts, but takes quite a few steps before you're back in the black. Definitely will have a place in your rotation, but not essential to get.
BSM 50 -- Ingenuity II. Replaces Ingenuity for the most part, but the benefit isn't large by comparison. Again, good to have, but not essential.

Skills you can skip out on for the most part:

-All level 37 skills except CUL, which are Brands. These are only good for a few recipes while leveling. I think there is only one cross-class recipe per crafter, around level 37 or so (some Vintage this-or-that).
-ARM 15 -- Rapid Synthesis is only really useful if you've screwed up and need a last-ditch swing to have a hope of finishing it at all. I've done so before (needed ~210% progress at 30 dura, failed Standard, so I had two whacks of Rapid or guaranteed fail), but I don't recommend planning on it.
-ARM 50 -- Piece by Piece is crap. Ingenuity -> Careful will give you more progress than Piece by Piece, plus the Ingenuity for the next 5 steps. Can never finish with Piece by Piece. Having it on your bar is a waste.
-LTW 50 -- Waste Not II. Basically never use it. Costs more than Manipulation, and if you use two non-dura moves over the 8-step interval, then you're losing out by comparison.

Therefore, if I were to make a plan: skip out on ARM altogether; raise LTW to 15; make sure you have 15 BSM, CUL, ALC, WVR; max CRP ASAP; then do everything else you feel like doing. Don't do ARM unless you really want to make armors (and there is precious little room to make armors right now, with Coke the way it is). Only do LTW if you want to make money, but it's very good at that.