random Duty Finder groups - Square Enix attitude solution INC

[Johnist]

While I understand the good intentions of this system, I think it's just going to lead to further abuse from players, especially tanks and/or healers that can hold the group hostage to give them good votes since they basically hold the fate of the group in their hands. I'm not saying this will become commonplace, but there certainly seem like there are enough bad apples out there

Well let's see... MVP Vote happens AFTER the run has concluded... this means that if someone tries to 'hold the group hostage' all they have to do is verbally aquiesce and then they can just not vote for that person... run has already finished, so there is nothing the tank/healer can do except whine and cry. I suppose they can make a character on each server of other players and make a false claim against them, but I think SE is smart enough to figure out the truth behind it.

[Kalamari]

While it's commendable to give players the option to reward good behavior, I'm also of the group who thinks that it's more important to punish trolls and unfriendly players, whom are running rampant in DF. Most of them are being absolute d*cks ONLY because they know they will get away with it. Let's say if 1 player gives you a thumbs down, that's no penalty.

When 2 players give you thumbs down, that's 10 minutes wait penalty the next time you queue for ANYTHING. 3 downvotes? 1 hour penalty. 4 or more? Get logged out immediately and prevented from logging back in for 24 hours. That would give the trolls and mean people some incentive to behave more civilized towards other players.

[ashikenshin]

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nope, this will allow me and two of my buddies to give you 3 thumbs down and not let you play for an hour just because. You join my duty finder and you will suffer one hour. See with any system where the users punish other users, trolls will troll. It seems you don't know the lengths to which people will go just to grieve. The other day there was a thread about how people killed the lambs just to troll the fate farmers.

[Kalamari]

nope, this will allow me and two of my buddies to give you 3 thumbs down and not let you play for an hour just because. You join my duty finder and you will suffer one hour. See with any system where the users punish other users, trolls will troll. It seems you don't know the lengths to which people will go just to grieve. The other day there was a thread about how people killed the lambs just to troll the fate farmers.

Yeah, they would have to prevent folks from the same FC or friends list to count for more than 1 vote per group. Not abuse-proof either.. but better than what we got today.

[Lunchable]

Just reading the basics (not knowing details) this seems like a disaster to me.

[Herase]

To people sayin there should be a way to punish players, in all my years of playing mmos I've learnt never give players the power to pass negative judgement. i.e kicking/reporting/downvoting, it never works. People these days will cast down votes on you for the most stupidest things. They don't like your class, you haven't got a certain item or even just for the hell of it. This idea is a good one, but needs work, the only thing i can see wrong with it, out of all the comments and arguments against the idea are, FC groups and pre-mades will be cut out of the loop and wont be able to obtain the items and all the other stuff.

Lets see how this plays out, as long as they keep out what i said at the beginning then the abuse of this will be minimal

[Altanas]

In addition to individual MVP vote casting, you should also allow a party-majority thumbs down.

[Noahlimits]

I can see it now;

Start of PUG:
Guy one: So, we all upvote each other at the end of the dungeon?
Everyone else: Yup

Or if they limit it to one upvote per party;

Start of PUG:
Guy1: So I'll upvote 2, 2 upvotes 3, 3 upvotes 4, 4 upvotes me.
Everyone: Agreed


This is just begging to be abused. Please don't follow through with it!

[Zedon]

I'd like to have MVP points. It doesn't need to do anything either. Karma means jack s--- but I like getting upvotes on reddit anyhow.

[Herase]

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I don't see that as abusing it.. From what i'm guessing the system is to stop bad behavior, if the group all agree to upvote but then one member keeps flaming or insulting i doubt the group will still feel happy about upvoting him (remember these are randoms not good mates). if the group all agree and the run goes smoothly with no flaming or insulting, then i don't see why they shouldn't upvote each other. Because like i said it's to prevent bad behavior. I could be wrong and it could go wrong lol, but i'm finding it hard to find ways this could be abused massivily, unless you get constantly grouped with people you know on another server :/ .