random Duty Finder groups - Square Enix attitude solution INC

[Alhanelem]

Seeing that you cannot up-vote people that you queue with or friends that you enter with, they are punishing players for being loyal to a group and friends.

No, they're preventing people from abusing the system. OF COURSE you're going to upvote your friends. It doesn't punish you, because you can always run with those people. They don't need an incentive like the turds do. Not haivng to put up with those people is its own reward. The whole point of changes like this is to improve the experience of PUGs in the DF. if you've formed a competent party yourself, it should already be a better experience.

Also, if you could upvote your friends, it would mean that baddies could upvote eachother to compromise the system.

[KaiKatzchen]

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My over all point is why reward people who are mean/rude players in the first place for keeping their bad attitudes in place. It's like telling a child who's throwing a temper tantrum "hey if you stop throwing a fit I'll give you a piece of candy". Now the child know's anytime they want something they just throw a fit and they will be placated with treats.

While the child who is already being good and helpful and controlling themselves is ignored.

I don't like this whole points idea at all. SE just needs to stand up and say "Look if you're gonna be this way and you're reported and it's found to be true (SE can see everything going on in these things and pull up everything that was said and that happened) then you will get strikes on your account and if you get 'X' amount of strikes then your account can't enter DF for 'x' amount of days.

Stop giving 'treats' to bad people to get them to be good, and deal with them properly.

[Crica]

the child who is already being good and helpful and controlling themselves is ignored

First of all, EVERYONE who plays nice with random strangers will get the points, so no, they are not ignored

And secondly, SE will NEVER have the manpower or resources to play "mommy" to half a million OR MORE players in the constant turnover that is the Duty Finder

the only way they have to deal with it is to give out something that ppl want bad enough to actually play nice with random strangers in order to get it

i wish them all the luck in the world figuring out what that "something" is, cuz i have no idea!

nor does most of humanity, otherwise there would be no wars and there would be peace in all of the world...

[KaiKatzchen]

First of all, EVERYONE who plays nice with random strangers will get the points, so no, they are not ignored

Exactly the people who want to play with random strangers.

SE even says it on their site: Take part in an epic and ever-changing FINAL FANTASY as you adventure and explore with friends from around the world.

So how can we explore and play with friends if SE is saying "oh but you can't do DF's together if you want 'X' points and 'X' items."

Or maybe what they say about Free Company's on their site: Free companies are adventurer-run organizations which serve to facilitate cooperation between individuals.

Great we can cooperate and help one another, but just know that there will be in-game items that those players who want to use a FC for what it's suppose to be used for won't get as easily because they aren't constantly running with strangers.

That doesn't also count the people who might have a static set up, or people who joined under the believe that they would be able to access everything the game had to offer by doing it all with their friends. In short to me it feels like they are saying, they support building communities in this game and have given us the tools. But when it comes to instance/dungeon runs where you have to use DF (which is pretty much every major part of the game) they don't matter as much as doing it with random people you don't know.

Giving gifts to bad people to control them doesn't make them better people. It shows them they can abuse the system and players to get what they want in the end. And as someone else said, are vanity items really going to tide them over? How long before they don't care. This isn't a fix, it's a band aid.

[Crica]

So how can we explore and play with friends if SE is saying "oh but you can't do DF's together if you want 'X' points and 'X' items."

the same way you do it in real life - you go help out random strangers ONCE IN A WHILE and do things with your friends the REST OF YOUR TIME...

[KaiKatzchen]

the same way you do it in real life - you go help out random strangers ONCE IN A WHILE and do things with your friends the REST OF YOUR TIME...

It is obvious that we see this from different point's of view, and there is nothing wrong with that.

But when the DF was first announced I told people on the forums that this would happen and supported an anti-community attitude. Now look what has happened.

All i'm saying now is this is a temporary fix, a band-aid and everyone that I know that I have spoken too really doesn't like the concept behind it. These people who treat others this way are all about the 'fastest time' or the armor or the items that will improve their characters. They are spamming these DF's constantly. Are they really going to care about vanity items that do nothing for them? And if they do, how long of 'playing nice' do you think it will take them to get everything. Once there is nothing else to get do you really think they will continue playing nice without a reason? This will either fix it for a short time or not really do anything to help the issue.

[Crica]

All i'm saying now is this is a temporary fix, a band-aid and everyone that I know that I have spoken too really doesn't like the concept behind it. These people who treat others this way are all about the 'fastest time' or the armor or the items that will improve their characters. They are spamming these DF's constantly. Are they really going to care about vanity items that do nothing for them? And if they do, how long of 'playing nice' do you think it will take them to get everything. Once there is nothing else to get do you really think they will continue playing nice without a reason? This will either fix it for a short time or not really do anything to help the issue.

then dont help out random strangers if you dont want to, i dont see the issue of SE trying to help rather then do nothing

personally, im going to continue to use DF - im not as lucky as you seem to be and dont have friends online everytime i am, so when i would like to run group content when no one i know happens to be online, the DF is a great way for me to be able to do so

and with the feature, it will be an incentive for ppl to play nice in order to get points

and if not, i will still use the DF cuz i have yet to run into anyone that i can not simply ignore and continue to run the dungeons anyway (or I just afk till the nerdrager decides to leave lol... i have two accounts, i just play my second one when that RARELY happens)