random Duty Finder groups - Square Enix attitude solution INC

[Hiruke]

This is stupid. I don't want to try to make people love me. I just want to get in there and do my best. And I want people who troll to get smacked around somehow, so's they don't troll no mo. Or are at least punished for it. I've had people come into a run and just afk the whole time, or be totally horrible and then after losing the fight (mostly because they themselves were horrible) then go afk while naked to force someone else to withdraw and eat the 15 minute lockout.

Maybe an American needs to be the person to think of the system to deal with trolls and random DF abuse? Is it a cultural thing where people just can't fathom others being total trolls to everyone for no reason? Even if trolls wants dem MVP points, what's to stop them from being cool enough to get upvoted in stuff, then go back to trolling all over the place?

We don't need up votes, or down votes. We also don't need a withdraw system that punishes only the first person who withdraws. We need to be able to report trolls and have them be punished with multiple day/week/month long lockouts from the DF, depending on how abusive they are. A kick option would also be rad, but could also be abused, and ain't going to help nobody who is trying to DF primals (lol why), since you can't replace them and you'll prolly requeue with them anyway if they're a healer or a tank. This needs some serious rethinking, not a brownie point system as if anyone cares about that. I mean, people will, but I doubt the trolls will magically stop trolling because they might get a mount if they are super sugary candy nice to everyone.

If you need a brownie point system, figure out some way to decide whether or not someone sucks at playing, and award them for doing stuff like NOT standing in the center of the arena for Geocrush, and NOT sucking down every Weight of the Land that pops.

Or let people do a "preferred/not preferred" player list so you never get matched up with people you mark as trolls ever again. Even if that makes me not join some random party full of mostly cool people, that's fine, because that troll is going to make them wipe anyway so I'll take my chances with someone new who isn't a troll.

Bolded the only solution that makes ANY sense.

[KaiKatzchen]

Or let people do a "preferred/not preferred" player list so you never get matched up with people you mark as trolls ever again.

Bolded the only solution that makes ANY sense.

We were just talking in mumble and I had brought up something like this! Make a cross server blacklist for instances. When someone is rude to a player etc they can blacklist them. Then when players go into the DF the system scans though the queued people and blocks the people it sees on the list from joining the group.

What will eventually happen is the players who are rude will end up waiting a long time to get into a DF because of the blocks on them and maybe that will teach people to be polite. Then they will have to look for LS/FC/Server help instead to get things done.

[Lucimon]

Well clearly the amount of ideas appearing shows that many people are interested in some kind of plan keeping the Duty Finder a friendly environment with little to no hassle from those not so interested in keeping the environment a good one.

I want to thank everyone for taking your time to express your thoughts / ideas and any other comments given. Keeping threads positive in this manor will attract attention. I'm sure eventually something will come up to stabilize behavior within the game we have to continue to express our thoughts, concerns, and ideas so to better assist Square Enix in developing new solutions!

Thank you All!

[Jynxii]

Or let people do a "preferred/not preferred" player list so you never get matched up with people you mark as trolls ever again.

Can you blacklist people across different servers? And does this stop you from getting queued with them again? This is how League of Legends works, and does an incredibly good job of keeping you separate from the especially toxic players.

Incidentally I am in a CM run right now that took less than 5 minutes for people to start insulting each other. Yay for the weekend; guess it is time to queue up with JP only (at least if they insult each other, I can't understand it :P)...

I like your system of giving people 'points' to become a 'better player', especially since everyone feels they are entitled to having a relic weapon. This should be the stuff that motivates you to getting better, but the attitude has certainly changed over the last few years

[Alhanelem]

Seeing that you cannot up-vote people that you queue with or friends that you enter with, they are punishing players for being loyal to a group and friends.

No, they're preventing people from abusing the system. OF COURSE you're going to upvote your friends. It doesn't punish you, because you can always run with those people. They don't need an incentive like the turds do. Not haivng to put up with those people is its own reward. The whole point of changes like this is to improve the experience of PUGs in the DF. if you've formed a competent party yourself, it should already be a better experience.

Also, if you could upvote your friends, it would mean that baddies could upvote eachother to compromise the system.

[KaiKatzchen]

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My over all point is why reward people who are mean/rude players in the first place for keeping their bad attitudes in place. It's like telling a child who's throwing a temper tantrum "hey if you stop throwing a fit I'll give you a piece of candy". Now the child know's anytime they want something they just throw a fit and they will be placated with treats.

While the child who is already being good and helpful and controlling themselves is ignored.

I don't like this whole points idea at all. SE just needs to stand up and say "Look if you're gonna be this way and you're reported and it's found to be true (SE can see everything going on in these things and pull up everything that was said and that happened) then you will get strikes on your account and if you get 'X' amount of strikes then your account can't enter DF for 'x' amount of days.

Stop giving 'treats' to bad people to get them to be good, and deal with them properly.

[Crica]

the child who is already being good and helpful and controlling themselves is ignored

First of all, EVERYONE who plays nice with random strangers will get the points, so no, they are not ignored

And secondly, SE will NEVER have the manpower or resources to play "mommy" to half a million OR MORE players in the constant turnover that is the Duty Finder

the only way they have to deal with it is to give out something that ppl want bad enough to actually play nice with random strangers in order to get it

i wish them all the luck in the world figuring out what that "something" is, cuz i have no idea!

nor does most of humanity, otherwise there would be no wars and there would be peace in all of the world...

[KaiKatzchen]

First of all, EVERYONE who plays nice with random strangers will get the points, so no, they are not ignored

Exactly the people who want to play with random strangers.

SE even says it on their site: Take part in an epic and ever-changing FINAL FANTASY as you adventure and explore with friends from around the world.

So how can we explore and play with friends if SE is saying "oh but you can't do DF's together if you want 'X' points and 'X' items."

Or maybe what they say about Free Company's on their site: Free companies are adventurer-run organizations which serve to facilitate cooperation between individuals.

Great we can cooperate and help one another, but just know that there will be in-game items that those players who want to use a FC for what it's suppose to be used for won't get as easily because they aren't constantly running with strangers.

That doesn't also count the people who might have a static set up, or people who joined under the believe that they would be able to access everything the game had to offer by doing it all with their friends. In short to me it feels like they are saying, they support building communities in this game and have given us the tools. But when it comes to instance/dungeon runs where you have to use DF (which is pretty much every major part of the game) they don't matter as much as doing it with random people you don't know.

Giving gifts to bad people to control them doesn't make them better people. It shows them they can abuse the system and players to get what they want in the end. And as someone else said, are vanity items really going to tide them over? How long before they don't care. This isn't a fix, it's a band aid.

[Crica]

So how can we explore and play with friends if SE is saying "oh but you can't do DF's together if you want 'X' points and 'X' items."

the same way you do it in real life - you go help out random strangers ONCE IN A WHILE and do things with your friends the REST OF YOUR TIME...