random Duty Finder groups - Square Enix attitude solution INC

[Ryios]

2. Someone relatively new enters the dungeon, and doesn't do so well. They aren't a bad player or have a poor attitude, they just aren't top notch. Doesn't get a vote so you don't have to queue with someone 'new/inexperienced'.

I disagree with this. Personally I don't really go around all the time catering to new people. Why? Because there will always be a new person. It's like working at a job where people constantly quit and you constantly retrain new help, I just don't do it. As such I think it would be ideal if new people got paired with new people. The system I am promoting here would do that overtime. The people that want to be speed runners and not slowed down for cutscenes you name it, would be running together. If they are not it's because they are not deemed worthy and have not been upvoted. Now I'm not saying I don't help new people at all, but I'd prefer to run dungeons with mostly experienced people and let the new people run with new people and figure it out on their own just like we did at game launch.

Secondly, as this system has no penalties atm... All you can do is move up. And dps won't be ignored. People will make it a point to vote for everyone that did ok or didn't cause a problem. As a tank I value a good dps just as well as a healer. DPS checks are in a lot of these encounters, as such DPS will get voted up.

And when it comes to farming philo and myth tomes, nothing matters in the group more than amazing dps. The better your dps is, the faster you clear the dungeon and faster clears = more philo myth in a smaller time frame.

And if you are running with your own group, thats the penalty you take. That's why I said you'd want to use DF to get DPS or a healer or something. As long as 1 person from the DF is in the group they can vote you up and you can vote them up. Or just use DF till you get voted up.

And obviously this setup wouldn't apply to Castrum, Preatorium, or Binding Coil.

[Jynxii]

Secondly, as this system has no penalties atm... All you can do is move up. And dps won't be ignored. People will make it a point to vote for everyone that did ok or didn't cause a problem. As a tank I value a good dps just as well as a healer. DPS checks are in a lot of these encounters, as such DPS will get voted up.
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I hate to point this out, but not everyone is like you, and if they were, assuming you aren't the aforementioned jerk, a system like this wouldn't even be in place. Also, lets keep in mind the system is their to support good behaviour. Not voting for a newer, inexperienced player who is nothing but polite and grateful to any pieces of advice you give already goes against the intended purpose of the system. (Does this make you a jerk for not using it the way it is intended?). Continuing with your point, does this mean DPS with relic get more up votes because they make the run faster? Even if they are less friendly. It is in your best interest to get the geared player's priority to your run can go smoother/faster.

Let's ignore all the stuff that a system like this will potentially do to friends, LSs and FCs for now, and focus on individual players that are actually more likely to use the DF to form entire random groups. Now while you say you'll up vote DPS players, does this imply everyone will? As a healer my queues are shorter anyway, and as a tank yours would be shorter still, so what effect, or benefit would you get from up voting DPS? What about NOT up voting DPS?

You highlight some of your reasons, but try putting yourself in the shoes of a DPS player. You aren't a bad player or a bad person. You have to wait 60-90 minutes to get into a dungeon and are avidly trying to get your Darklight set so you can move into other content/be more efficient. You finally get into a dungeon, clear it relatively smoothly and then get presented with the option to up vote your fellow players. You don't hesitate to up vote the Tank/Healer because they deserve it right? Now you have to up vote the DPS, but if you do so that brings him closer to having 'queue priority', potentially putting him ahead of you, potentially increasing your queue time. If this vote would potentially add another 10 minutes to your queue time, would you still vote? Would you feel that justice occurred within the system if you weren't up voted because you didn't have a full set of Darklight gear already, despite avidly trying to do so?

I see where you are trying to go with the system, but there are too many different incentives for different players, and far too broad a variety of players to make any 'safe' bets of how they would react/use the system. Even by your own admission you state that you would use it against its intended purposes to benefit yourself:-

Personally I don't really go around all the time catering to new people....I'd prefer to run dungeons with mostly experienced people and let the new people run with new people and figure it out on their own just like we did at game launch... And when it comes to farming philo and myth tomes, nothing matters in the group more than amazing dps...

I'm not trying to make you look like a bad guy, and I'm sure you're not, but the system is to reward good behaviour and foster a more positive community, not separate the haves from the have nots.