random Duty Finder groups - Square Enix attitude solution INC

[Sotek]

I hope the stuff isn't only obtained this way, because while that certainly does encourage using the Derpy Finder and not being a prick, it doesn't encourage the basic principles behind a MMO... You know... How you find friends and play with them? I really have no reason to ever touch Duty Finder solo, but unless I do I don't get this stuff? Gee thanks for encouraging me to play with my friends...

[KaiKatzchen]

I hope the stuff isn't only obtained this way, because while that certainly does encourage using the Derpy Finder and not being a prick, it doesn't encourage the basic principles behind a MMO... You know... How you find friends and play with them? I really have no reason to ever touch Duty Finder solo, but unless I do I don't get this stuff? Gee thanks for encouraging me to play with my friends...

I've been saying this for a while on this thread... this isn't a fix it's a bandage. It won't help, now people can say 'well if you don't vote for me then I won't beat this boss or do this run'. It could bring on a whole new form of harassment.

Or what happens when these people have everything they can get or want, SE will continually have to add new items, time that could be better spent on adding things into game that betters it as a whole.

Also as you said this game is supposed to be about creating communities and playing with your friends, and this essentially (much like duty finder) supports an anti-community attitude.

SE will do what they like, but in the end I doubt it will fix the problem. You don't fix a bad attitude by giving bad people rewards to be good. You let them know that attitudes like that will not be accepted and do what you need to do to punish them. If that means putting strikes on peoples accounts and not letting them into DF (which means no dungeon runs) for 'x' days, then so be it. That would fix peoples attitudes or get them out of the runs where they are abusing people.

[Wolfhammer]

I've been saying this for a while on this thread... this isn't a fix it's a bandage. It won't help, now people can say 'well if you don't vote for me then I won't beat this boss or do this run'. It could bring on a whole new form of harassment.

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Well erm no.... You can say whatever you want at the beginning of the run to appease these hostage takers. The vote happens when you've done the dungeon, in which case he can pretty much guarantee he won't be getting any vote.. Easy peasy

[Ihm]

I hope the stuff isn't only obtained this way, because while that certainly does encourage using the Derpy Finder and not being a prick, it doesn't encourage the basic principles behind a MMO... You know... How you find friends and play with them? I really have no reason to ever touch Duty Finder solo, but unless I do I don't get this stuff? Gee thanks for encouraging me to play with my friends...

I had to quote this 8 pages late because this post is so much truth it deserved to be quoted 8 pages late.

[Bluevann]

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While I see where you're coming from, I'm sure you understand why allowing votes to be eligible for friends would completely destroy the purpose of this feature. MVP's effect on the players' behavior is only a secondary effect of what I feel it is truly made for: quickening the queues. True, it's easier to be appreciated as a healer or a tank rather than a DPS (I've been leveling a bit of all, so I've experienced that. Got lots of compliments for my tanking, or my timely healing, never for assisting the tank properly as a DPS); as a consequence, there will be more people leveling tanks and healers to get their aesthetic prizes, which are classes we're heavily lacking for on the duty finder. Secondly, allowing friends to vote each other would

1: slow down queues, since healers and tanks will be "taken" by friends. Yoshi-P has explained plenty why he encourages server-cross grouping rather than on-server grouping, which is also why a "on my server only" option wasn't given to Duty Finder. If friends could vote you, then everyone would try do Duty Finder runs just with friends, slowing down the queues to ensure themselves a MVP and hindering those who have no friends to run with.

2: a friends-can-vote option would be an incentive to multi-boxing, and we don't want that.

[Orophin]

While I understand the good intentions of this system, I think it's just going to lead to further abuse from players, especially tanks and/or healers that can hold the group hostage to give them good votes since they basically hold the fate of the group in their hands. I'm not saying this will become commonplace, but there certainly seem like there are enough bad apples out there for this to be a daily topic on the forums.

What SE needs to do is take a stronger stance on the Harassment reports that people make. SE reps have flat out said that people AFKing in dungeons are not against their terms of service. THAT is what they need to fix.

[Shougun]

While I understand the good intentions of this system, I think it's just going to lead to further abuse from players, especially tanks and/or healers that can hold the group hostage to give them good votes since they basically hold the fate of the group in their hands. I'm not saying this will become commonplace, but there certainly seem like there are enough bad apples out there for this to be a daily topic on the forums.

What SE needs to do is take a stronger stance on the Harassment reports that people make. SE reps have flat out said that people AFKing in dungeons are not against their terms of service. THAT is what they need to fix.

I dont see how the hostage scenarios are feasible, voting logically would be at the end- and anonymous. Doing it any other way would be silly.. lol

[Sotek]

I dont see how the hostage scenarios are feasible, voting logically would be at the end- and anonymous. Doing it any other way would be silly.. lol

Yeah... If someone demands I vote for them at the end or they wont heal/tank, I'll gladly say "Sure" and not vote for them based on that behavior alone... I really don't get how anyone is going to abuse this system in such a way...

[Johnist]

While I understand the good intentions of this system, I think it's just going to lead to further abuse from players, especially tanks and/or healers that can hold the group hostage to give them good votes since they basically hold the fate of the group in their hands. I'm not saying this will become commonplace, but there certainly seem like there are enough bad apples out there

Well let's see... MVP Vote happens AFTER the run has concluded... this means that if someone tries to 'hold the group hostage' all they have to do is verbally aquiesce and then they can just not vote for that person... run has already finished, so there is nothing the tank/healer can do except whine and cry. I suppose they can make a character on each server of other players and make a false claim against them, but I think SE is smart enough to figure out the truth behind it.

[Richiealvian]

You can't vote MVP with the people you queue up? Does that mean if I go with 3 premade and one random I'll have to vote the other person by default? That's interesting, where did you read that?