random Duty Finder groups - Square Enix attitude solution INC

[FrogDog]

I'm not really liking this idea, since votes of this nature are more about popularity and visibility than who worked hard or had useful insight.

As for attitudes, nice should be the default. I'm normally for incentives, but in this case I think they should just give groups a recourse against bad players instead of trying to coax good behavior with vanity items.

[OptimalZedd]

its intelligent feature, thumbs up for SE

but for my part, i know it might be rude , if one person is really nice/funny but sux ass as player he wont be upvoted :/

Natural selection

[FrogDog]

its intelligent feature, thumbs up for SE

but for my part, i know it might be rude , if one person is really nice/funny but sux ass as player he wont be upvoted :/

Natural selection

I imagine it'd be the exact opposite. Whoever is the most visible/entertaining in chat would probably get a vote over the quiet person doing everything right. Similarly, I bet under a system like this you could pretend to be a girl while flattering people and get votes.

You can't expect most players to make a fair assessment of other people based on performance. This system seems aimed more towards manufacturing friendliness than judging "value" anyway.

I think this is a case where S-E is adding a carrot where they should have put a stick.

[Warlyx]

I think this is a case where S-E is adding a carrot where they should have put a stick.

qft

/10char

[Fyrebrand]

It's sad that some players need the possibility of a reward dangled in front of them in order to be halfway decent people, but that's reality. Frankly, if the trolls/jerks are just "faking it," and they are only being a team player for selfish reasons, I don't care. All that matters is that they behave for the duration of the dungeon, and then they can go back to being their miserable, rotten selves on their own server. But you know, there's also the possibility that it could be one of those "fake it til you make it" deals -- after a while, some of 'em might realize "Hey, being cooperative can be kind of fun, too!"

I still think a limited Vote to Kick option is essential, but on its own it does very little. The best we can hope for from these jerks is "don't be so terrible you get immediately kicked out, and maybe you can mouth off and insult people towards the end."

To those who think this "punishes" playing with your friends or FC -- that's pretty silly. If your local grocery store puts Cheerios on sale, are they "punishing" you for buying Frosted Flakes? If one class gets buffed in order to adjust game balance, is it "punishing" the other classes? Duty Finder needs the mother of all buffs right now, because it is currently broken, painful, and embarrassing. There is no reason SE needs to encourage you to play with friends and FC members, as people already do that, and always will do that.

If anything can stop some of these players from being so toxic, I am all for it. Excluding players, banning players, shutting people out -- sometimes that's necessary, but not ideal. What is ideal is turning that behaviour around 180 degrees. And realistically, that can only be done through tangible rewards -- not pleas for compassion and team spirit.

[Tsukino]

The only real problem I see with the idea is this: I have seen several people walking around in full darklight and exactly two people with the dust bunny minion.

The people spamming the duty finder and yelling at everyone to skip custscenes and quit because they messed one thing up aren't going to care about getting some vanity items. It will be nice for the already helpful people to get some stuff out of it though.

[AethyrSanc]

nope, id rather just be extremely toxic and screw with people... #tanklife

[Steeled]

Awful idea. Things are not always the fault of the people they seem like.

[Steeled]

Instead, you should have to rate the collective performance of the rest of your group.

Someone beat you at a roll? ratedown
Healer said afk and you pull and die? ratedown
Somebody's first time in an instance? ratedown
Someone accidentally agros a trashpack? ratedown

I think you see where this is going...

People are not all naturally nice. Most aren't, as can be seen from the current dungeon finder. I can't imagine how this is going to fix anything.

[KaiKatzchen]

People are not all naturally nice. Most aren't, as can be seen from the current dungeon finder. I can't imagine how this is going to fix anything.

I agree. Seeing how fast people go though content how long before they play nice long enough to get everything and/or don't care about such items and go back to how they were? It's not a fix.

And telling people 'you have to do it this way or you're missing out on content items' isn't letting players play the game the way they might want. It's forcing them to play a way they might not be comfortable or miss out on content.