random Duty Finder groups - Square Enix attitude solution INC

[Joshhoowah]

I don’t the idea that’s it an MVP award. It implies you’re voting for the best player on the team. Limiting the number of votes you can give/receive a day reinforces this. A simply up voting system would encourage polite behavior. If I had a pleasant run, I would want to up vote everyone in the party. Are we trying to encourage excellent play or well mannered behaviour in the player base?

Rewarding players with “Item Mall” type items won’t make for a lasting incentive and puts a burden to the dev team to continuously be adding more items The idea thrown out there by Moheeheeko that points could be used for repairs is worth looking at. Trading them for company seals, expendables is something people could have value. Having the total points players have accumulated be visible on their profile will create social pressure for them to play nice with others.

[Goufunaki]

then they need to spend their time being kind and helpful in random duty finder groups instead of spending their time crying and whining in the forums

cant get points if you are crying and whining in the forums, only if you are kind and helpful in random duty finder groups!

But the other thing is even if things go well, some people either might not be aware of a voting system or just don't care enough to use it at all. It doesn't have to only be about whether someone was a jerk or not.

Youtube videos have more views than thumbs ups, and it's hard to imagine a player on xbox live going through everyone he's played with to rate them all when they could just jump into another match right away.

Not everyone will use the system. Nor should they be forced to.

[Uveck]

This will not work as it will only divide the two groups even further. You really think the guy who queues up for the DF for his first run is going to get MVP when everyone is asking him to skip cut scenes? If people are vocal in the group you will have part of the group voting for the people who rush through and the other half voting for the people who want to allow people to watch cut scenes.

[Ruminate]

This will not work as it will only divide the two groups even further. You really think the guy who queues up for the DF for his first run is going to get MVP when everyone is asking him to skip cut scenes? If people are vocal in the group you will have part of the group voting for the people who rush through and the other half voting for the people who want to allow people to watch cut scenes.

That goes both ways. The guy watching the cutscenes isn't going to upvote anyone who complains that he's watching a cutscene.

If you're in a group with 8 friendly strangers, each person can earn 7 votes.
If you're in a group with 6 friendly strangers and 2 douchebags, the 6 friendlies can earn 5 votes. The 2 douchebags will, hopefully, earn none.(I say hopefully because you just know theres gonna be that one apathetic player who doesn't care and will just upvote them with the rest of the group)

[Maza]

Kick would be abused to no end and most likely just lead to people arguing over whether to kick someone or not and wasting time. This is a good idea (better than nothing) imho. There is never going to be a perfect solution no matter how much anybody thinks so. It sounds like the rewards are for fun or vanity type stuff so I don't how someone could get ticked off if they never get any points /shrug +1

[KaiKatzchen]

I don't like it for one simple fact...

There are people out there that only want to play and do runs with their friends and LS/FC people, maybe someone has a static group for the main storyline. Seeing that you cannot up-vote people that you queue with or friends that you enter with, they are punishing players for being loyal to a group and friends. How is it fair to people that have very nice, friendly LS/FC's who like to do runs with their group and help their group get though DF runs?

Isn't the point of LS's and FC's in this game to make a community that you want to play with? To be helpful to that group and to support them? But, you cannot 'vote' them up for being kind people who go out of their way to drop what they are doing to go on a run with those that need help in your group? Therefore people who never or rarely do random DF runs because they have a helpful and supportive group have next to no chance of receiving these 'points' and being able to get these 'items'.


What about 'having a group that is all one server' or 'a group that is all the same LS/FC or same GC'? Suddenly being helpful to your LS/FC/server is NOT a kind, helpful thing deserving some type of MVP?

[Bane766]

Stuff

The whole point of this system is to fix the jerks in the random DF. If you are constantly running dungeons with your LS/FC then it wouldn't apply to you. So why should you be rewarded? You are neither contributing nor hindering towards the random DF. So this whole topic doesn't apply to you. If you want the rewards you will have to run the random DF. If you don't then you won't. It's that simple.

[KaiKatzchen]

The whole point of this system is to fix the jerks in the random DF. If you are constantly running dungeons with your LS/FC then it wouldn't apply to you. So why should you be rewarded? You are neither contributing nor hindering towards the random DF. So this whole topic doesn't apply to you. If you want the rewards you will have to run the random DF. If you don't then you won't. It's that simple.

How do you know I don't run random DF's? While I do admit I do run many dungeons with my LS/FC because of peoples attitudes within the DF, I was simply point out how some may see it if they do have groups to help them and showing the other side to this coin. Being helpful to people in the game is being helpful period, no matter what form it comes in. I just don't think it is fair for SE to force people into doing something they may not like or be comfortable with to receive item's/points that they will not be able to get in any other fashion.

Why people have to have some type of bribery to be polite is beyond me. And as I said in another thread in reference to peoples actions in DF: Seeing that the dungeons are instances they should have a way to report people like this, that when it happens all of the information and conversation as a whole is sent to a GM, and instead of a MVP, their given warnings and after X warnings they can not enter instances for X amount of time or are banned from the game if they continue. That would change peoples attitudes as well, I bet.

[Zfz]

Seeing that you cannot up-vote people that you queue with or friends that you enter with, they are punishing players for being loyal to a group and friends.

(1) Because abuse don't happen in FC/LS parties. So it was never a problem in the first place. Abusive behavior in FC/LS runs can be easily taken care of by disciplinary action. Not so in random pugs.

(2) The problem here is with random pugs where there are no incentives to be nice. So the solution was targeted at random pugs.

(3) The MVP system is aimed to improve relationships in random matches, and indeed if you read the interview, it only allows votes on random matches.

* For those who have not read the details of this system: the planned MVP vote only activates in a "Random Duty match". I.e. you don't queue solo for AK and get votes. You queue a random duty, the server decides where your role is most needed, and you be nice to those people who's been waiting for you for so long. So you may very well get into a story mode Garuda fight. If you be nice and explain the fights, pull the group through, sure you'll get your MVP vote. Note also this is once a day.

So no, it is not penalizing anyone. If you refuse to help strangers by always playing with your mates, you have no right to claim any rewards that are given to people who help strangers.

PLUS, it is a once-a-day reward. So you can very well just do one random and go back to your mates and still get the full rewards.

** What this also means, is that it doesn't help the end-game grinding dungeons much. You don't do random on that. But you may get a few random matched people who try to be nice and end up there...well maybe it helps a little.

[Jynxii]

* For those who have not read the details of this system.

Assuming the system stays as described, and is a daily as such, it will not be anywhere near as bad as how the OP posted it. One run to 'help out' is completely different to doing a dozen runs to accumulate points faster. Of course, what is to stop people from not up voting you so you have to queue more allowing them to get faster queues, or just to troll you in a completely different way.

In regards to getting roles into the DF pool that otherwise wouldn't be there, why didn't they just go with WoW's system of rewarding Tanks/Healers when they are in high demand with 'goody bags' that contain stuff like food, extra gil and maybe a small chance of obtaining rare (but otherwise obtainable elsewhere) pets based on your actual level, not scaled level?