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    Adol Giantbane
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    Warrior does more damage, that's why they hold single target threat better than a Paladin does. The reason healers can creep on them in high healing fights (anything past Titan) is because they do that other combo. If all a Warrior ever did was Butcher's Block, no healer would ever touch them outside of spamming Medica II for shits.
    Shield Oath is -20% dmg. Defiance is -25% dmg. So even though WAR's threat combo does a little more dmg than PLD, the stance penalty should cause the WAR to do less dmg over all if they purely spam their threat combo.

    In order to outdps a PLD, a WAR must do the maim combo every 1-2 rotations (1 for max up time on storm's eye debuff, every 2 for better threat generation). This makes it very likely WAR will generate less single target threat in the end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaya View Post
    Sword Oath is outright terrible to use as a MT for anything endgame-related as well. But while we can poke and prod at the individual issues that Paladin has, it doesn't negate the fact that Paladin as a whole is a job that works.

    As for the current topic at hand, I feel if anyone wants to add more complexity to Paladin, it should start with changing Sword Oath to make it more competitive with Shield Oath.
    Sword Oath = DPS, Shield Oath = tanking. Say off tanking Garuda HM (if I understand the fight correctly), you'd use Sword Oath to DPS, then swap to Shield Oath to tank adds, then back to sword oath to DPS the boss.

    It's actually preferable to the WAR who needs to drop Defiance to DPS. When you reapply Defiance, you don't get that extra HP, so you need to be healed immediately. And you've lost all wrath stacks switching back and forth.

    It's perfect the way it is. If anything, I'd say maybe swap the order you get the skills (so move sword oath to 40, shield oath to 30) as shield oath is the more important of the 2 abilities for the job's main role, so you'd want to get it sooner.
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    Last edited by Giantbane; 09-21-2013 at 04:50 AM.