Paladin - A little too simple?

[CyanDvai]

I wouldn't mind another combo to use. It does get a little tedious using the Halone combo all the time.
Halone combo, shield toss, flash, not much to do. I use scorn when I can for a little bit more dps and enmity, but I really wish scorn at least had an enmity state like Halone ro savage blade.

Only time I find keeping hate is when I have a bunch of people that like to spam AoEs on every pull and not fight marked targets.

I do like the idea of a decent cure combo to produce enmity, I find cure in XIV for paladin is meaningless compared to paladin cure in XI. As a paladin in XI, cure was part of my rotation for threat.

[Lucavern]

As others have mentioned, PLD doesn't get that big of a hate margin as some people like to think. My static started working on Titan last night, and our WHM kept pulling hate off me at least once a fight. Wasn't missing Halone combo GCDs, popped CDs appropriately, etc. but the WHM still was pulling that much threat. Add a non-Halone combo requirement into the mix and I wouldn't even bother trying to tank this fight.

[Jahaudant]

It's common for a WHM to pull hate in Titan around his first or second jump - this is not your fault, and it's what Shroud of Saints is for.

Your WHM will have been trying to conserve Shroud for MP purposes, but once forced to use it for hate purposes it will be popped immediately once off cooldown for the remainder of the fight. (By time its back up it is required to keep MP up regardless).

I have extremely well geared WHM and PLD and I have played both extensively in many, many Titan runs. Trust me, any WHM worth his salt wont be close to your threat after the heart is dead.

[Zarkhov]

Kitru is convinced that paladins do as much damage as warriors..... I could see having a different combo being very useful. I just recently hit level 50, so I haven't had the chance to do some of the battles mentioned here. However I have tanked in just about every MMO out there. While threat may be an issue in some situations it definitely should not be in most if WHM is using the agro reduction ability. I could see numerous potential applications of a mitigation combo going forward without even knowing the fights.

The only problem I see here is that if we were to receive another type of mitigation it may tip the warrior/paladin balance. Several highly skilled warriors aren't really haven't problems with balance vs paladin, though this combo proposal could change things.

[Churchill]

I wasn't really having an uninformed discussion so much as I was making an informed statement.

[Kitru]

I wasn't really having an uninformed discussion so much as I was making an informed statement.

And what was it informed by? You said that WAR does more damage and generates more ST threat, which has been shown numerous times to be pretty damned untrue, assuming the PLD actually uses the tools available to them. Fight or Flight, Circle of Scorn, and Spirits Within are all *amazing* force and threat multipliers. On top of that PLD gets to spam their high enmity combo ad infinitum.

I've run both a PLD and a WAR and run *against* PLD on my WAR: PLD manages better ST threat because they get to use their high enmity combo on a constant basis. If you think it's an informed statement to say that WAR has better ST threat, you're not informed: you're woefully uninformed. The damage dealt between the two is effectively identical with PLD being slightly worse when tanking without a WAR around and slightly better when tanking with a WAR.

[Churchill]

And what was it informed by? You said that WAR does more damage and generates more ST threat, which has been shown numerous times to be pretty damned untrue, assuming the PLD actually uses the tools available to them. Fight or Flight, Circle of Scorn, and Spirits Within are all *amazing* force and threat multipliers. On top of that PLD gets to spam their high enmity combo ad infinitum.

I've run both a PLD and a WAR and run *against* PLD on my WAR: PLD manages better ST threat because they get to use their high enmity combo on a constant basis. If you think it's an informed statement to say that WAR has better ST threat, you're not informed: you're woefully uninformed. The damage dealt between the two is effectively identical with PLD being slightly worse when tanking without a WAR around and slightly better when tanking with a WAR.

There's a simple explanation for that. The Warrior you play against is bad and so is the Warrior you play.

There, settled.

[Giantbane]

There's a simple explanation for that. The Warrior you play against is bad and so is the Warrior you play.

There, settled.

OOOOHHHH, I thought you were just misinformed and didn't know what you're talking about. In reality you're just trolling. I'm sorry, my mistake.

[Churchill]

OOOOHHHH, I thought you were just misinformed and didn't know what you're talking about. In reality you're just trolling. I'm sorry, my mistake.

Oh, I don't think anyone would call me misinformed.