Thread: No real endgame raiding content in 2.1

Originally Posted by Swishytail

Right, but you can only do that so fast. These people who hit
50 in 2 days, get relic weapon on day 3, clear 4 turns of
Bahamut's coil in less than a week. What do you expect?
You can't just flip a light switch on and poof, there's 5,000
more hours of content.

That's just the reality of it. If you choose to destroy the
current end-game at extremely fast speeds, that's fine. If
that's your playstyle, go for it. But you cannot honestly expect
SE to just pump more and more content in every other
week.

I don't disagree with you, however there needs to be some responsibility on the development team to release said content with a logical progression plan in place as well. I fear this doesn't appear to be the case with 2.1 or the current end-game content in place. Jumping back and forth between Crystal town and Coil content seems like a plan to do nothing but create more redundant content rather than a creating a logical path of progression which is required for a healthy MMO endgame.

It's incredible people are still complaining. If end game isn't what you want it to be right now, leave. It won't come fast enough for you, I can tell you that right now, since the producer has outlined, in great detail, when things are coming out. You sitting there complaining that a game a month old doesn't have more end game, is pathetic.

You can try to be as "right" as you want, but if what you're looking for isn't here, then you should just go. They are working on it. It will take time. If you can't figure that out then you have problems. Many of us are fine with how things are and will be able to keep ourselves occupied until more content comes out. We will pay their salaries and enjoy the beautiful world they built and will continue to build upon.

No game is universally liked by all. This game just might not be for you since they don't have the level of end game depth you want.

Originally Posted by Swishytail

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That's just the reality of it. If you choose to destroy the
current end-game at extremely fast speeds, that's fine. If
that's your playstyle, go for it. But you cannot honestly expect
SE to just pump more and more content in every other
week.

Yes, we can't expect them to do that.

However, we should be expecting content that's varied and somewhat challenging. The reason why even semi-casual players are running out of things to do is because of the ubiquitious accessibility of everything that's end-game related.

As of right now, the only gear that's relatively out-of-reach for the majority of the playerbase happens to be Allagan gear. But SE found a "work-around" for this issue.

Can't get Allagan gear? No problem. Just farm AK on a weekly basis, be a bit a patient, and you'll have access to gear with almost exactly similar stat amounts, just different stat itemization.

So, they've already destroyed the next Tier of gear by making bosses in Coil either drop nothing or items that nobody can use (SMN Allagan Hands drop yet there's no SMN in the group. What an utter waste).

In their zeal to make everything accessible to everyone through various means, they've shortened the longevity this game could offer by 75%.

QoL changes, incremental content updates, and other non-vanity-based content (I'm looking at you Swimsuit Event) need to be pumped-out at the scale of GW2.

Yoshida's team has arguably accomplished the first hurdle of producing/creating a good MMO. Now they need to stop looking at themselves as a game company but rather a service-oriented company that should be providing content at bi-weekly pace.

GW2 and ArenaNet have understood this model and it's been successful. Let' see if Yoshida and Co. can adapt to an ever-changing MMO landscape.

Originally Posted by roflcaust

Yes, we can't expect them to do that.

However, we should be expecting content that's varied and somewhat challenging. The reason why even semi-casual players are running out of things to do is because of the ubiquitious accessibility of everything that's end-game related.

True.

It really just comes down to the impossibility of finding a happy medium for everyone playing. Either content is coming out too fast, or not fast enough, this dungeon is too easy, or too hard, etc. I have yet to play any MMO that is "perfect" in whatever sense you deem that word to be.

I go into MMOs knowing that it's going to take time, there's going to be problems, changes, content issues, etc. Can't tell you how many times I got frustrated with games like WoW, even YEARS after initial launch. There were still content issues that were really an annoyance.

I guess I'm just hoping that people don't jump-the-gun and drop their subs and quit the game before 2 or 3 patches come out because of the current state.

However, we should be expecting content that's varied and somewhat challenging. The reason why even semi-casual players are running out of things to do is because of the ubiquitious accessibility of everything that's end-game related.

The OP only stated what Yoshi-P told us, Not what is going to be in 2.1 as a whole.

He is only basing his OP on facts Yoshi-P has said, but what Yoshi-P said isn't all in 2.1.


Also: The game has just came out, there is a lot of things to do in this game. as with all new MMO's ( FFXI, WoW etc) They need time to add new content. Within a years time, there will be this "variety" you and some people want ( end-game wise).

When a MMO just starts out, end-game content will be scarce ( but there is options like Gaurda/Titan/Ifrit Hard mode, and Coil, and Mythos farming) I feel that's more than enough for a game that's starting out.

In a years time, You should see a lot of end-game content. People just need to be a little patient.

Its a patch. Not an expansion.

Originally Posted by OrganizationXIll

Its a patch. Not an expansion.

Except it's a content patch. This is the model outlined by Yoshisa himself when explaining the reason for going with a subscription model. 'Free' content patches every three months then the occasional paid expansion for significant updates to the game.