Thank you for FATEs :)

[Tolmos]

With all the hate going around against FATEs and the people screaming for them to be nerfed (mostly people who already got 50 and now desperately want the XP train cut off before anyone can catch up to them), I figured at least someone should hop up and say "thanks for that".

FF14 for me has had an engrossing main story, though rather drab side quests and repetitive leves. The dungeons are amazing the first time through, but they can be a little boring doing them over and over again. That said- FATEs have been an amazing answer to this.

Honestly, I find myself exceptionally attached to this game because the option of FATEs exists, and can definitely see myself continuing to play for quite a while because they are an option to make leveling a little less painful for an alt-o-holic like me.

So thank you, Square. And just remember,most of the people who are currently cursing your name for FATEs and demanding nerfs were just as thankful when they were reaping those rewards =D

[Derceto]

For anyone to even worry remotely about people "catching up to them" in an mmo which should be around for years, is rather ridiculous actually. If there are people who are out there who actually worry about this, then I truly feel bad for them. Where exactly did you pull that thought from? Nvm, I don't want to know.

I've gathered the impression that most people want fates adjusted because it's lopsided the bulk of the world population to the path of least resistance, as well as, refusing to take part in the mind numbing blue circle chase. The fact that you seem to find this entertaining, is somewhat disturbing. Certainly odd that you find dungeons boring, but fates you do not? They are exhilarating are they?

Of course there is the problem of the army of players it is creating, who attain level 20+, and do not know the first thing about their class, much less how to play it effectively in group events which require actual coordination.

[Tolmos]

For anyone to even worry remotely about people "catching up to them" in an mmo which should be around for years, is rather ridiculous actually. If there are people who are out there who actually worry about this, then I truly feel bad for them.

Exactly, and yet there they are. They rush to 50 via FATEs and then the first thing they do is hop on forums and start screaming "OMG! NERF FATES PLEASE QUICK NERF EM NOW!"

Luckily Square is a bit smarter than that! No nerf yesterday, woohoo!

[ClockworkSpectre]

If you really think that is why people want them nerfed then you a clueless. While there may be a few like that, people like me are worried for the long term survival of the game, the way it effects the in game economy and that people are hitting 50 without understanding how their class/job functions. The FATE system is basically like handing level 50 to people without having to put in any effort, that is not how an MMO should run. As stated by others there is not risk involved for the reward, its lazy and requires no challenge.

[Acaelus]

If you really think that is why people want them nerfed then you a clueless. While there may be a few like that, people like me are worried for the long term survival of the game, the way it effects the in game economy and that people are hitting 50 without understanding how their class/job functions. The FATE system is basically like handing level 50 to people without having to put in any effort, that is not how an MMO should run. As stated by others there is not risk involved for the reward, its lazy and requires no challenge.

Let's be honest here, even with a more strict leveling curve, there will still be people that won't understand class/job functions. That's every MMO. FATEs are working as intended, and tbh the faster those people level to 50 the faster we find out they suck and don't group with them. Everyone thinks it is the responsibility of the community to train others, but in reality it isn't. It's a game, not a job.

[Moontide]

Let's be honest here, even with a more strict leveling curve, there will still be people that won't understand class/job functions. That's every MMO.

You are right with that. Plenty of people always choose the path of least resistance. FATEs are that at the moment for FFXIV RR. The suckiness of some players isn't because of the leveling speed per se though, but because of the irrelevance of gear and skill in FATEs. They don't really teach anything beyond which are your character's most spam-friendly skills as soon as the number of player participants exceeds half a dozen. I don't think SE intended to make FATEs such huge group Whack-a-Moles. The scaling doesn't work.

Most of the arguing in this forum is born from pro/con current leveling speed which is pretty fast even by modern MMO standards. I think the real issue lies in leveling speed only when it's compared to the effort, gear and skill that it takes in comparison to other options. FATE participation should be at least a good deal more hazardous via proper enemy scaling mechanisms (or a good deal less rewarding via proper XP scaling mechanisms if the participant/FATE challenge level rate is too much off. Such an outrage, I know). I don't want things to be any easier than what they are already.

[Derceto]

Fates are an insult to most people's intelligence and mental fortitude. The only virtues I can see fates requiring, are a galactic amount of patience and determination to survive cumbersome and mindless grind while keeping your sanity intact. If this is the best this game has to offer, I can certainly see a mass exodus by the year's end.

The only people I sense who are defending fates, are the ones who want max level as quickly and effortlessly as possible. These are the types of people who love to burn through mmo's and then quickly abandon them for the next shiny gem on the mmo radar. Fates are merely GW2 events, done wrongly in every conceivable way.

Brilliant of you to speak on behalf of everyone asking for fate changes though. Surely we were all "thankful when reaping those rewards"? Mmmmm, no, maybe not.

[Kraggy]

are the ones who want max level as quickly and effortlessly as possible

You mean like those who already DID it and now have 1 or more 50s, who are now as the OP points out the largest proportion of those calling for nerfs?

[Derceto]

You mean like those who already DID it and now have 1 or more 50s, who are now as the OP points out the largest proportion of those calling for nerfs?

Considering that a good portion of people are already max level, ya, I think it's just mathematically conclusive to assume that the bulk of people looking for nerfs are going to be 50's. I don't read daily, numerous posts, of people trashing fates and begging for more quests and quest resets because people love fates so much.

I'm not level 50, and along with many others it seems, think fates are a boring chore and provide nothing but unwarranted rewards. I mean really..... was SE just too lazy to write more quests after level 35? Did they not think to maybe make them repeatable on other classes? Did they not think that people will level to 50 and be completely clueless of how to play aside from spamming 1 ability they learned in fates? Horrible, horrible foresight on their part.

[Genjisamurai]

Yes thank you for fates. I also made some friends while doing fate trains.