This is why quest markers make the game for 2 year olds

[Felis]

The quest map in the journal window is since beta ingame. If you don't want to use it, then don't push the button and open the normal map only.
I did the R20 leatherworker quest too, and I didn't needed to open the quest map and the normal map because I knew where the chocobo is.

[DNO]

Not really because you can generally get all the info you need from reading the quest text. How would not using it be any different than it not existing?

well thats wrong because not all quest text tell you where to go.

[Hitoriki]

I like the quest thingies. :3 Im all for making the user interface more user friendly.

[Felis]

There's a good example that disproves this.
There's a quest in gridania in which a follower of a god asks you to find certain NPCs and hear their sins. He gives you clues as to where to find them.

He gives clues, that's right. But these clues don't show up in the journal text.
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7511/questgl.jpg

If you forget the clues you can't just re-read it in the journal text.

[solracht]

There's a good example that disproves this.
There's a quest in gridania in which a follower of a god asks you to find certain NPCs and hear their sins. He gives you clues as to where to find them.

Then you click the map button and it tells you exactly where they are.

Reducing what could have been a rewarding quest into go run to that place I'm pointing out and come back.

Do you know what most people would've done if there had been no map journal? They would've looked up the quest on a wiki or database. The information and the walkthrough have always been available outside of the game. Most people have always used them.

If you were one of the few that never looked up what to do... guess what? You can keep on taking that approach.

[Chezen]

First off, the OP wasn't talking about the quest markers directly, but rather a particular quest that literally drew a path like Billy on Family Circus. This was explained and resolved earlier in the thread.

There's a good example that disproves this.
There's a quest in gridania in which a follower of a god asks you to find certain NPCs and hear their sins. He gives you clues as to where to find them.

Then you click the map button and it tells you exactly where they are.

Reducing what could have been a rewarding quest into go run to that place I'm pointing out and come back.

No one has to pull up the map. People can play Encyclopedia Brown if they want to.

I'd actually love to see more quests like that myself.

[Keith_Dragoon]

Shiyo, I agree with a number of you points. I think that the journey is more important than the reward, and I agree that the game could stand to up the difficulty in a number of areas. At the same time, a number of conveniences should be added to prevent players from just looking up the information via a website, much like what everyone did in XI. It's important to find a proper balance.

I think the best way to handle this is to bold key locations and items in the text of the quest information, and adjust the map to make locations easier to spot. In instances of quests wanting you to find some random spot in the desert, I think the quest information should give you it's coordinates, instead of placing a quest marker on the map. Using these methods, the game gives more than enough information, and at the same time does not lead you directly to your goal.

I stopped reading after this post cause its filled with Greater Essence of Win and Truth!

[Chezen]

I think the best way to handle this is to bold key locations and items in the text of the quest information, and adjust the map to make locations easier to spot. In instances of quests wanting you to find some random spot in the desert, I think the quest information should give you it's coordinates, instead of placing a quest marker on the map. Using these methods, the game gives more than enough information, and at the same time does not lead you directly to your goal.

They can do that as long as I get a cute magnifying glass and tweed cap for my character.

[Felis]

First off, the OP wasn't talking about the quest markers directly, but rather a particular quest that literally drew a path like Billy on Family Circus. This was explained and resolved earlier in the thread.

The OP should know, that the journal map show the location where he should going.
Maybe he opened the wrong map, but he even didn't know where the chocobo is in the first place without a map.

[Nuru]

Lets throw more crap at SE so we can stall them on working on the actual, more important updates! \o/ Thats what we truly need right? Cmon guys! Who's with me? I already have one member on my side who i am very proud of! My best buddy Shiyo!