hey idiots, you should work the cost of the shard into your price!!!!!!

[Timetrapper]

Man, I'm sick of seeing so many stupid crafters posting culinary items, most of which cost multiple fire and/or water shards on the market for anywhere between 1-30gil!!! The fire & water shards go for anywhere from 30-50 gil on the market. So each time you make something, it costs you at least 1 shard if its low level and can cost 2,3 or 6 shard for other food items.

Include the price of the shard into your calculation of your price! Ingredients + Shard + Mark up!!! Stop just putting crap on there for whatever is lowest like, oh I dunno 2gil to 15 gil!!!!

And yes, the market should eventually adjust itself once people either wise up to this or go broke crafting. But, I'd rather it be sooner than later so crafters can start making profit now rather than 2 months from now.

[LenneSari]

Someone's upset he got undercut. :P

[rina_inverse]

welcome to capitalism

[Suirieko]

Solution in three easy steps:

1. Level a gathering class.
2. ???
3. Problem solved.

[Darlantan]

Solution in three easy steps:

1. Level a gathering class.
2. ???
3. Problem solved.

How is that a solution? Leveling a Gathering class won't solve the costs associated with the crafts. Even if he gathered the materials + crystals and decides to join in with the masses by selling goods for less than a crystal means he still loses out on gil by not just selling the materials

[evilsohn]

How is that a solution? Leveling a Gathering class won't solve the costs associated with the crafts. Even if he gathered the materials + crystals and decides to join in with the masses by selling goods for less than a crystal means he still loses out on gil by not just selling the materials

Right, so just sell the materials instead after leveling your gathering class. Sooner or later the low pricing players will see that they run out of crystals and will stop flooding the markets. The problem is that when starting a new character, every quest gives you the crystals you'll need for the crafting classes in your starting town - I was able to level my weaver to 23 before running out of crystals. So if you're new to the game you might not even realize, that you're depending on These crystals.

[Cingen]

They are probably from people leveling. It's comon in MMOs for people who level tradeskills to sell with a loss, they accept having costs but sell just to minimize them, even if they loose money overal.

[Bov]

some advanced economic analysis up in here. hurrrd about that oppurtunity cost doggggg

[Timetrapper]

(Quoting Cingen) They sell to minimize their losses!!?!?? There is crap on the market for 1 gil!! You would make more if you sold it to an NPC vendor cuz you won't have to pay the marketplace tax! Hahah. If you sell 99 things you made for 1 gil that's just stupidity on a massive scale.

[xRitzx]

There's also dungeon items that don't cost anything but time and repair bills. Maybe that's part of the problem too. I'm not a crafter but I did put some items I got in dungeons up and because I don't want to monitor them for weeks, I sell them about equal with the lowest price or the average history price. Sorry if I undercut you now but I don't sell much and I don't want to spend much time on selling while I'm leveling to 50 and getting gear which is what this game is mostly about for me. With that said, the measly small amount of items I sell shouldn't hurt you that much.