Overpowered Classes?

[Thotor]

Because some class provide too much benefits and give less interest in having other class which will eventually lead to other class being no longer admitted in groups.

This is the case for :
- Bard vs other dps. Bard got everything , burst dps, high dps on long fight, no movement penalty, group utility with songs.
- Paladin vs Warrior. In this case it is more the warrior being underpowered but the result is the same. Warrior are less viable for end game. They cannot MT coil, yet paladin can do both MT and Off tank.

[HurtigeKarl]

Because some class provide too much benefits and give less interest in having other class which will eventually lead to other class being no longer admitted in groups.

This is the case for :
- Bard vs other dps. Bard got everything , burst dps, high dps on long fight, no movement penalty, group utility with songs.
- Paladin vs Warrior. In this case it is more the warrior being underpowered but the result is the same. Warrior are less viable for end game. They cannot MT coil, yet paladin can do both MT and Off tank.

Bard does not have stun, bard does not have silence. I.e. doesn't have everything.

[Thotor]

Bard does not have stun, bard does not have silence. I.e. doesn't have everything.

Bard has silence. In fact, it is the main silencer for end game.
Stun are available on PLD as a anytime without CD so there is no need to have it on bard anyway.

If you really want to list what Bard lack compared to other DPS, it's the Limit Break. Either way it does not change the fact that bard provide too much compared to other dps.

[Musashidon]

well it may be a pve game but it still requires party use in the end and if a class is alot better then why use it? when i can simple stack the best 1 or 2 damage classes and forget the rest.

[Atrious]

well it may be a pve game but it still requires party use in the end and if a class is alot better then why use it? when i can simple stack the best 1 or 2 damage classes and forget the rest.

Yeah... but why hurt a class that ultimately helps the GROUP.. lol I have seen good people in all classes just saying. Its all on the player

[Conradus]

Yeah... but why hurt a class that ultimately helps the GROUP..

Because it doesn't matter how much the class helps the group if you don't get to be *in* the group because all the slots are taken by the class.

[thuswindburn]

Bards don't have the aoe limit break or the single target lb of the melee. Resultantly, you're gonna diversify some if for no other reason than limit breaks

[RoosterAgathos]

PVE and class stacking .. I really dont see it as being an issue. I parse everything i do just for my own personal improvement, I also use it to ask others what they are doing to generate their numbers. I have come across many cases where competent dragoons and Monks out strip my bard by 10 to 15k even when I don't sing a single song.

I wont deny that Bard have it a bit easier as far as movement... But does that mean they are overpowered or just a little more flexible.

As far as tanks go.. lets be honest some tanks are built for longer fights and some are not. This is not something that is new

[EmeraldSerenade]

Just a thought I had. Why are so many people up in arms about one class being overpowered over another?

Aside from “class stacking” why would anyone call for a nerf of a class that deals damage or heals better then another?

That's the point, other classes get left out.

1) If you have a choice between a Warrior or Paladin, you choose the Paladin.
2) If you have a choice between a BLM or Monk, you choose the BLM.
3) If you have a choice between a WHM or Scholar, you chose the WHM.

I haven't heard anyone asking for a "nerf" but I have seen lots of posts asking for buffs to make their classes more viable at endgame. Which is good. (usually)

[KogaDrake]

That's the point, other classes get left out.

1) If you have a choice between a Warrior or Paladin, you choose the Paladin.
2) If you have a choice between a BLM or Monk, you choose the BLM.
3) If you have a choice between a WHM or Scholar, you chose the WHM.

I haven't heard anyone asking for a "nerf" but I have seen lots of posts asking for buffs to make their classes more viable at endgame. Which is good. (usually)

Beyond the tank setting (i.e., 1) for titan and coil i would disagree with everything said here.
WAR is fine to tank anything but for a few instances and the difference between PLD and WAR for story/4man is so more in player skill (PLD is easier to play so pug you go to pld for higher chance a better tank due to it being easier to play)

when it comes to DPS classes, some are simple and easier to play with less movement needed (BRD, BLM) than others which need to keep up the rotation (MNK, DRG) and this leads to a bias to the easier ones as when you dont know the player the easier class is goign to more consistently be a better dps.

Healers, its the fact that SCH does so much for the party that is not visible in the parser that has lead to this WHM are better since people look just at those numbers and nothing more. 4man, either is perfectly fine, 8man 1 of each is really best, although 2x of either works fine also.