BLM vs Bard

[Sentinel]

Umm, can Black mage take damage like monk and drg can? dont think so... In any game, tradeoffs have to be taken into account. Black mage gets 1 shot by a sneeze, so in turn they should have at least equal damage to bard. You are missing the point. They are both ranged dps, and one should not have much faster cast times, be able to attack while moving AND do way more dps.

This has been debated to no end, ranged cannot take the damage that melee can but ranged are also ranged, so justifying higher DPS on ranged vs melee has no merit in a game where all the mobs are designed to hit the tank, now if this game had no tanks, you would have a point. So lets not try to give any class a DPS advantage, the point is, every class should have the same amount of advantages and disadvantages and the overall DPS at the end of the day, needs to be the same across all of em.

[LeviathanElite]

the main..."strength" of the bard are:
- can use him skill while moving
- attack from far
- have infinite tp.

him damage alone are not that good, but it have all the good point of the caster and the melee.

about the drg tradeoff, they are at close range and have the worst magical defense (most of the attack hitting the drg are magical damage).
i think like sentinel, the skill of the bard must be rethink and he need to get some skill that make him stand a bit.

How are people missing the point? The bard does all of those things ^ plus does way more damage than the other classes in the game even more than other ranged dps classes.

That is bad bad bad game design

[LeviathanElite]

I"m hoping they address this

[KyteStones]

I have an app that I use when we run dungeons, instances etc that give me very detailed info on the party, damage, dps, healing etc and the game is very well balanced when you can see the numbers. Average DPS for bard doing a full dungeon can range between (depending on the player) 56 to 80 dps. My BLM can range between 47 and 72 DPS, I've maxed out at 90. Nothing really needs to be nerfed. Where the bard excels in actually DPS, the BLM is built and has always been built for higher damage. Always right underneath the tank in damage, unless the tank is not doing his job. My last run with a bard they finished the dungeon with 82 DPS, 102K total damage throughout the dungeon and only took 22K worth of damage. My BLM was 71 DPS, 280K Total Damage, and i took 202K damage (i pulled aggro from tank) Tank did 480K of total damage, taking 306K worth of damage. Healer 0 DPS, healed 700K worth. Everything is balanced.

[Atrious]

I have an app that I use when we run dungeons, instances etc that give me very detailed info on the party, damage, dps, healing etc and the game is very well balanced when you can see the numbers. Average DPS for bard doing a full dungeon can range between (depending on the player) 56 to 80 dps. My BLM can range between 47 and 72 DPS, I've maxed out at 90. Nothing really needs to be nerfed. Where the bard excels in actually DPS, the BLM is built and has always been built for higher damage. Always right underneath the tank in damage, unless the tank is not doing his job. My last run with a bard they finished the dungeon with 82 DPS, 102K total damage throughout the dungeon and only took 22K worth of damage. My BLM was 71 DPS, 280 Total Damage, and i took 202K damage (i pulled aggro from tank) Tank did 480K of total damage, taking 306K worth of damage. Healer 0 DPS, healed 700K worth. Everything is balanced.

May I ask what this app is you are using?

[Zeille]

Bard's damage gets reduced while singing, which is supposed to even everything out.

Granted, it's rarely required that a Bard be singing, but in some of the more hectic fights it can help. Mainly Ballad if the healer is running low on MP. I've only had to use Paeon in Aurum Vale during the Miser's Mistress fight after my own AoE spam. Requiem would be nice, but it's only elemental damage, so you need more than one mage to make it worth it.

Give Bard some more songs that are USEFUL for having up all the time and this wouldn't be a problem.

[Amberion]

While that is a concern. The biggest issue I have with my BLM, is that the elemental spells don't seem to actually be elemental.

I sort of wanted to smash my head on my keyboard when i killed my first fire elemental.... with fire spells.

[1Logic]

i said the same thing when i killed one amberion lol... i was like how the (explitive) does that work

[KyteStones]

May I ask what this app is you are using?

Pulled the app name just in case its against the TOS. not much is detailed about 3 party that pulls info so.

[meJojo]

It's no different in FFXIV than it is in any other MMORPG. I've experienced it in Aion, TERA, etc; Mages will always be the high damage dummy class (no offence), but archer will always be more effective than mage if the person controlling it actually knows how to take the most out of it. I've seen plenty of derp per second bards in the few weeks I've been playing.