BLM vs Bard

[EtherRose]

DPS Averages
Gear: Relic +1, Full Darklight, AK appropriate secondary ring.

Ideal Conditions: SMN(350) MNK(295) LNC(280) *BLM(270) **BRD(180-220)

Realistic Conditions: MNK(235) SMN(210) *BLM(200) LNC(190) **BRD(180-220)


Sneak peak on compiled data :P

This is very inaccurate if it doesn't include using buffs and potions/food.

If a BRD uses Raging Strikes, Blood for Blood, Hawk's Eye, Internal Release, Barrage and an HQ Mega-Potion of Dexterity, they easily blow other DPS away,....in that 10 seconds. Also BRD's Foe Req allows their Venom Bite, Flaming Arrow and Wind Bite to do more dmg due to Elemental Resist being reduced by 10% w/o the BRD's dmg themselves being reduced 20%. Add "Battle Voice" and it's even more.

I use this setup and i blow other DPS out of the water easily. Also their DPS VARIES ALOT depending on how many times Blood Vow resets.

[LunarEmerald]

This is very inaccurate if it doesn't include using buffs and potions/food.

If a BRD uses Raging Strikes, Blood for Blood, Hawk's Eye, Internal Release, Barrage and an HQ Mega-Potion of Dexterity, they easily blow other DPS away,....in that 10 seconds. Also BRD's Foe Req allows their Venom Bite, Flaming Arrow and Wind Bite to do more dmg due to Elemental Resist being reduced by 10% w/o the BRD's dmg themselves being reduced 20%. Add "Battle Voice" and it's even more.

I use this setup and i blow other DPS out of the water easily. Also their DPS VARIES ALOT depending on how many times Blood Vow resets.

Foe's requiem doesn't appear to increase dot damage. Whenever I tested it, I noticed no increase. Even with battle voice.

[CursedCoffee]

Foe's requiem doesn't appear to increase dot damage. Whenever I tested it, I noticed no increase. Even with battle voice.

It does increase dot damage, but they need to be newly applied. This game uses snapshots to determine damage over time spells.

[CursedCoffee]

If a BRD uses Raging Strikes, Blood for Blood, Hawk's Eye, Internal Release, Barrage and an HQ Mega-Potion of Dexterity, they easily blow other DPS away,....in that 10 seconds. Also BRD's Foe Req allows their Venom Bite, Flaming Arrow and Wind Bite to do more dmg due to Elemental Resist being reduced by 10% w/o the BRD's dmg themselves being reduced 20%. Add "Battle Voice" and it's even more.

This is based off 6 minute and 30 second trials on test dummies for "ideal conditions" and full encounters for "realistic conditions". No one cares how much dps you do only during dps cooldowns. If you cared about only that, BLM would blow everyone out of the water as they are the most front loaded class in the game. That is BLM's niche. No one, absolutely no one will do more damage than a BLM with raging strike during a complete fire phase.

[UBERHAXED]

DPS Averages
Gear: Relic +1, Full Darklight, AK appropriate secondary ring.

Ideal Conditions: SMN(350) MNK(295) LNC(280) *BLM(270) **BRD(180-220)

Realistic Conditions: MNK(235) SMN(210) *BLM(200) LNC(190) **BRD(180-220)

*BLM results can vary quite drastically based on Flare critical hits and Thundercloud procs. BLM has seen as low as 170 and as high as 230

**BRD dps varies based on how much they are required to sing. Sometimes they are a bit higher or a bit lower depending on conditions.

Sneak peak on compiled data :P

Sounds legitimate. If anything, they need to atleast make the relic (ignoring the rest for now...) weapons have damage on par with all 8 other job with their stats (which are all equal btw, Bard's is the only one that is lower). Why are we still lower than healers in base damage?

This is very inaccurate if it doesn't include using buffs and potions/food.

If a BRD uses Raging Strikes, Blood for Blood, Hawk's Eye, Internal Release, Barrage and an HQ Mega-Potion of Dexterity, they easily blow other DPS away,....in that 10 seconds. Also BRD's Foe Req allows their Venom Bite, Flaming Arrow and Wind Bite to do more dmg due to Elemental Resist being reduced by 10% w/o the BRD's dmg themselves being reduced 20%. Add "Battle Voice" and it's even more.

I use this setup and i blow other DPS out of the water easily. Also their DPS VARIES ALOT depending on how many times Blood Vow resets.

Foes's requiem actually is bugged. I submitted this during the first week and it's still sitting in the first section. It's doesn't do anything for Bards attacks that state "elemental damage" (e.g. windbite) and probably doesn't do anything at all. Of course this was overlooked when they removed elemental damage, but still the move literally does nothing but drain your MP. It's silly that bards were cheated out of a fifth job move, and the developers have refused to acknowledge this for a month since it's been said and they had time to fix menial things like text error in sidequests...

[TaitoTots]

Sounds legitimate. If anything, they need to atleast make the relic (ignoring the rest for now...) weapons have damage on par with all 8 other job with their stats (which are all equal btw, Bard's is the only one that is lower). Why are we still lower than healers in base damage?



Foes's requiem actually is bugged. I submitted this during the first week and it's still sitting in the first section. It's doesn't do anything for Bards attacks that state "elemental damage" (e.g. windbite) and probably doesn't do anything at all. Of course this was overlooked when they removed elemental damage, but still the move literally does nothing but drain your MP. It's silly that bards were cheated out of a fifth job move, and the developers have refused to acknowledge this for a month since it's been said and they had time to fix menial things like text error in sidequests...

I didn't think that song would do anything other then drain mp. =/

[savant07]

DPS Averages
Gear: Relic +1, Full Darklight, AK appropriate secondary ring.

Ideal Conditions: SMN(350) MNK(295) LNC(280) *BLM(270) **BRD(180-220)

Realistic Conditions: MNK(235) SMN(210) *BLM(200) LNC(190) **BRD(180-220)

*BLM results can vary quite drastically based on Flare critical hits and Thundercloud procs. BLM has seen as low as 170 and as high as 230

**BRD dps varies based on how much they are required to sing. Sometimes they are a bit higher or a bit lower depending on conditions.

Sneak peak on compiled data :P

Why would movement affect that summoner so much? Pretty sure they are one of the most mobile classes, 2nd to Bard, for DPSing.

Also, please don't tell me you are using the parsers still, those are inaccurate when it comes to DoTs. At least that's what people claim.

[Vanidin]

Why would movement affect that summoner so much? Pretty sure they are one of the most mobile classes, 2nd to Bard, for DPSing.

Also, please don't tell me you are using the parsers still, those are inaccurate when it comes to DoTs. At least that's what people claim.

Could be something to do with the multipe dots that have to be recast to maintain dps?

[Ixsiehn]

DPS Averages
Gear: Relic +1, Full Darklight, AK appropriate secondary ring.

Ideal Conditions: SMN(350) MNK(295) LNC(280) *BLM(270) **BRD(180-220)

Realistic Conditions: MNK(235) SMN(210) *BLM(200) LNC(190) **BRD(180-220)

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I believe those parses are incorrect. Summoner's DPS wont drop that much if they have to move as their main component of DPS are DoTs. This is probably using a version of the parser where they were recording ruin damage as DoT damage and applying the damage on each tick, thus inflating summoner DPS by alot during stationary fights.

On the other hand, in realistic conditions, monk's DPS would drop more than dragoon's, as most bosses in the end-game has invincibility phases, causing them to drop their buffs.

[LunarEmerald]

220 is being generous for Bard. Even with a relic, your normal dps would be maybe 200.

Bard does lose some dps against Titan. You won't always be able to apply dots right as they fall off because you're too busy staying alive.