Are static groups simply the now accepted reality for endgame progression?

[Jynx]

Like I said I'm all for making sure the duty finder gathers dust a few months into the game. I am however against being able to play with anyone on your server in all the content that they have access too.

But I also sort of understand where they are coming from, the thing has it's ups and downs but overall I'm happy because anything that discourages the duty finder gets a A+ in my book.

[Murugan]

I've run multiple guilds that did this, and we all knew eachother quite well.

Just because you're unable to communicate with people in an organized fashion doesn't mean the rest of the world can't handle it.

It's called a progression LS/Guild/FC, and many, many people can do it.

They just don't spend time whining on the forums about how hard the entertainment, err, I mean GAME is. They're in the game, winning fights.

Your complaint has no basis other than the fact that you yourself are not a leader, or a good team-player.

What does splintering into an 8 person group have to do with teamwork? Teamwork would be gearing your entire FC, progressing your entire FC simultaneously.

Not having your little progression static with a bunch of groupies. The truth is you probably benefit from many people who simply exist to support you when your static falls through for some reason, but other than you don't care about them you aren't tied to their progression in anyway because you have your little static and they are all that matters to you.

[Lucroarna]

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Again, you entirely miss the point and go back to your single argument. Please use your brain and not your anger. The Dark side is bad, mmk?

Anyways, when you have 50+ people who are good players, and have known each other for many years, it's very easy to set up multiple runs on the same night. We had 4 groups of 10 doing Karazhan once a week in The Burning Crusade in World of Warcraft. Each group went into a separate channel on vent, and it worked just fine.

Clearly you are probably a victim of a guild/fc/ls that was heavy on favoritism, but unfortunately for you, and your argument, not every guild/ls/fc is led by people who are like this. You cannot create stereotypes based on a single isolated incident. It's important to remember you are not the only person on the planet, and just because your experience has been negative, it does not mean everyone's has.

w ok?

[Murugan]

Again, you entirely miss the point and go back to your single argument. Please use your brain and not your anger. The Dark side is bad, mmk?

Anyways, when you have 50+ people who are good players, and have known each other for many years, it's very easy to set up multiple runs on the same night. We had 4 groups of 10 doing Karazhan once a week in The Burning Crusade in World of Warcraft. Each group went into a separate channel on vent, and it worked just fine.



Clearly you are probably a victim of a guild/fc/ls that was heavy on favoritism, but unfortunately for you, and your argument, not every guild/ls/fc is led by people who are like this. You cannot create stereotypes based on a single isolated incident. It's important to remember you are not the only person on the planet, and just because your experience has been negative, it does not mean everyone's has.

w ok?

What a load.


Bunch of anonymous people in your "guild" is what it sounds like. You don't know anything about community if you are going to sit here and claim that you can be close to 100 different people while doing content like this that limits you to 7 others per week (with the rare exception of substitutions).

I also love that out of that 100 people in your guild that you know and are so close with, only 50 of them are good now. I wonder how many of even those 50 that are "good" you even bother playing with for your own personal progression, my guess is the number is far smaller. It's just a name and a website and a chat channel, a ventrilo server seperated into different channels, but to some people they want to play with their whole FC while progressing in endgame content.

You

Can't

Do

That

Here

Now.

I wish your kind had stayed in first person shooters, your idea of a community is just no where near my own. To me if I can't even progress at endgame alongside my guildmates then it is simply not a real community. This is a game for small group statics right now, and I don't see where I can get my endgame fix coming from games where these communities hooked me on the genre. If I was a fan of this style I'd join some "gaming clan" and go play first person shooters, or MOBA's, or Diablo together (either in what are basically PUGs because of how little connection there is between most members, or a rigidly set static if I wanted to be competitive).

[Kyouko]

Would rather have a roster, sometimes people can't be available

[Lucroarna]

I'm a loser

You know, when someone presents you with actual fact, and you decide to ignore all of it and supplement your own reality, you make yourself out to be a clown.

You're right on one point. You'll never find a good guild/LS/FC. You're the type of person I avoid 100% of the time.

[Jynx]

Let's get this straight a free company CAN still progress together through content, the way it works now just means key members wont be able to go back and limp strugling players through to the higher teirs.

Or on a less pessimistic note.

The one guy who tanks for your free company wont have to run the same damn turn 50 times in one night to progress the DD heavy community, likewise with healers. If anything this is another move by SE to encourage people to play something other than DD, less tanks means less abillity to progress I'm sure a few guys will take up the healers wand or tanks shield just so they don't have to stand in line with 50 other guys waiting for a tank to show up.

It's a smart if not a tad mean of a move, again I see where SE is coming from but I'd just rather a bit more freedom with who/when I play.

[Lucroarna]

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If you actually only have 1 tank in your FC that is your problem. The point of FF11 and FF14 is the ability to play many roles. Encourage your team to level other jobs, and this issue is gone entirely.

[SpiritLeova]

all i got to say is: WHAT IT DO!?

[Zane]

Apologies in advance for not reading the entire thread but...

To me, it seems like this entire issue could be solved in a very straightforward manner if the Development team were to introduce this measure:

You can only be eligible to lot on a particular boss's drops once per week. This way, guild members can go back and help their other guild members without getting a second crack at loot. This will make it much more PUGable, since you could technically join a group that's further behind if you had confidence they would go all the way. Finally, an entire guild won't find themselves suddenly stuck if a RL emergency claimed a member away from the game for an extended period of time.

Or am I missing something?