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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitru View Post
    I just did the math for *in* tank stance. It's a slight edge to PAL, and I've got *no clue* where you got the 8-16% number from.
    I've done the math too. In tank stance a PLD will be at ~295 Potency, while a WAR will be ~312 Potency, without counting Berserk, Unchained, Internal Release, or Inner Beast. Without any of that, WAR has ~6% lead. If you add those things in, and use them on cooldown you can extend the lead to 18% or higher, but it comes at a high cost to the WAR and isn't realistic. I just made a (long) post on Reddit about it, I'd be happy to link it. (Note that I also considered PLD using fight or flight on Cooldown).

    Quote Originally Posted by Kitru View Post
    It's pretty much the same numbers as the tank stance stuff with a couple changes: WAR no longer has a .75 modifier and PAL loses the .8 modifier. On top of that, PAL gets some bonus potency in the form of Sword Oath. Baseline potency per GCD of an autoattack is 83.33 (auto-attack / ((damage * delay) / GCD)). Sword Oath provides an additional 50 potency to each of those, such that PAL auto-attack is 133.33 additional potency. Bring in the previous formulas modified for the given values (using the Fracture math for WARs):

    WAR:
    (213.85 + 83.33)*1.2 * 1.0556 / .9 = 418.27

    PAL:
    (203.3 + 25 + 20.8 + 133.33) * 1.05 = 401.55

    PAL (with WAR present):
    (203.3 + 25 + 20.8 + 133.33) * 1.05 / .9 = 446.17

    So a PAL does either 96% of what a WAR does or 106.6% while in their DPS stances. Once again, we're talking about what is effectively no difference (balanced within 5% is balanced).
    This is slightly off. First, both circle of Scorn and Spirits Within work out to 25 Potency per 2.5, so I don't know where 20.8 comes from.

    Second, you're not normalizing sword oath and instead adding 50 potency to the auto attacks which you've normalized to 2.5 seconds. Using Curtana as an example, that means an additional 50 potency attack every 2.32 seconds, not every 2.5.

    So Sword Oath will contribute ~53.9 potency per 2.5 second global.

    This puts the PLD (solo) calculation at:

    203.33 + 53.9 + 25 + 25 + 83.333 = 390.563

    With Fight or Flight used on Cooldown, it works out to 429.619, which is already higher than the WAR before you add in Storm's Eye for the PLD. But with Internal Release and Berserk used on CD for the WAR they would slightly overtake the PLD, but still be lower than a PLD in a situation where a warrior is present and using storm's eye.

    I'm not sure why you were multiplying by 1.05 (Fight or Flight is a 10% buff, averaged out).
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    Last edited by Hachiko; 09-20-2013 at 04:43 AM.