Warriors - How to fix our damage mitigation

[hola]

It's obvious that WAR won't stay weak. They're not stupid and stubborn to a point they would compromise their own game.
In every MMO, you have that class that suck big time early in the game and that suddenly :
- Get to a lvl of gear that reveale their true power and they become extremely op
- Get new lvl and thus new skill completing their kit and they become extremely op
- Get buffed like hell because people whined all over the forums and they become extremely op

It's usually the "assassin" base class but I can see that happen verry well with WAR and I think that, over the time, we'll get a little bit of those 3 points.
WAR Does seem to scale really really well. With a full AF+1 you have the luxury to grab DPS acc and this will do a lot of good to our DPS (finally) and self heal.Looking at our kit, it verry much look like the foundation of the job, waiting for some concrete (a couple of skills) to hold all of it together and become extremely solid (OP)
And obviously, the job has some major flaws that will most likely be issued in the 2.1 patch with some buff and/or revamp.

I'm really confident that, once 2.1 is here, we'll be really OP and people will cry for some nerfs. Good thing is, by the time 2.1 is out, I'll have my full AF+1 gear on my WAR, and me and people that sticked to it like that will probably be on top of Eorzea.

totally agree

[Rgbg]

When is 2.1 due then, do we know?

[Kaalan]

During November.

[Legend1337]

it should be fixed befor 2.1 though, why wait so long while warrior is broken right now.

[Kaalan]

Unless you're in the later turn of Coil WAR is not "broken", it's just not optimal but you can do everything else just fine, people need to stop exagerating things.
More than 50% of the current WAR issue ("no sorry we prefer a PLD") come from that kind of attitude.

[Takamorisan]

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Man you never heard about the Retribution paladins in WoW, took some years to fix then.

[Savish]

No, but it's close enough that the stat disparities don't make much of a difference given the fact that they use effectively identical gear and get the same bonus stats from traits. The difference between a WAR and a PLD at level 50 is 10 Str, which is next to nothing.

You either include every single piece of DPS data that includes all DPS stats regardless of how small doesn't matter if its 1 str or 100 str difference it must be included in your calculations to be accurate. That was the point I was trying to make but clearly that is beyond you and where are your in-game parses? afraid that they might not match up with your "math".

So you are wrong you have been wrong and will continue to be wrong until you use 100% of the data required to properly calculate single target DPS.

P.S
Also why no DPS math on multiple target situations or do those just not exist?

[Kitru]

So you are wrong you have been wrong and will continue to be wrong until you use 100% of the data required to properly calculate single target DPS.

Are you seriously saying that I'm wrong and you're right because I didn't do the math to account for a fractional difference in a *single* stat (it's a ~3.33% difference)?

You're just getting pedantic. Hell, you don't even have a character at level 50 in order to have the relevant understanding of what 10 strength actually *does*. As it stands, the only reason you're still hung up on this is that you're butthurt because you've tried to prove me wrong on multiple occasions and have only to have it turn out that I was right all along and that you have no one whit of a clue about what you're doing.

Seriously, sit down, shut up, and let the grown ups continue the discussion since we can actually *do* math.

Also why no DPS math on multiple target situations or do those just not exist?

You're really just fishing with this. Of *course* GLA has effectively null AoE DPS. Of course, as a *tank* class, the DPS dealt isn't important within the confines of their role: threat generation is what's important. Furthermore, when discussing the variable AoE capability of the two classes, you have to further compare the resource consumption of the two: Overpower does damage, has a smaller target area, and costs a metric shitton; Flash is dirt cheap, safe as hell, applies a debuff, and has a much larger target area. The fact that GLA doesn't do any damage with its AoE is countered by all of the other advantages provided by theirs.

You don't bring a tank to deal damage. Anything that a WAR can deal with Overpower is so massively overshadowed by the AoE damage of even a single DPS that you might as well no be dealing *anything*. The entire reason *why* I did the math here was to demonstrate to those people that say that WAR has some kind of massive DPS advantage over PLD that they are explicitly *wrong*. WAR and PLD do effectively the same DPS. There's some variation where a PLD can perform slightly better or worse based upon group composition, but the fact remains that those people are *wrong*. Just like you. Hell, you're so busy trying to prove that I'm wrong that you've lost sight of what is actually being discussed.

[HiirNoivl]

I got 101 on Garuda... No mitigation problems so far.

Also hit 2970 self heal on Inner Beast... that's... almost 50% my HP.

[Evilmog]

I just want to say hi guys whats up.

The math here is easy, and I'm not sure why people are messing it up. So let's make this simple:

War tank base HP: 5500
Defiance adds 25%: 1375
War HP with Defiance: 6875

With me so far? Ok, say there's a mob that hits for 2000.

6875 - (2000*x) < 0

x is 4. So a warrior would survive 4 hits.

Paladin HP: 5500

On the same mob with shield oath would hit for 1500 (2000 * .75 = 1500)

Same thing:

5500 - (1500*x)< 0

Again the answer is 4.

So let's scale it down a bit

6875 - (1000*x) < 0
This time it's 7

and

5500 - (750*x) < 0
Is still 7

It sucks that we aren't given 'hard' number to go off. I mean ok..I have like 500 parry or something but what does 500 parry equate to as far as a raw % chance?

Anyone know for sure?