Should this be bannable/reportable?

[Rydin]

I agree with Xatsh...
How is a battle class selling their gameplay skills for gil any different than a crafting class selling their crafted items for gil
Or getting money for Materia melds and repairs, for that matter

[Furious]

Mercing is against ToS in FFXI now, people get actively banned for FC parties. I wouldn't be surprised if this transfered to FFXIV at some point.

[Malix]

You took the time to read it yourself. You say that like he had any influence over your own decision whether to read or not.

Your statement makes no sense because it assumes i knew what the topic was about just by reading the title. The title itself makes you believe it was something worth mentioning. Believe me if it said something like "people who sell wins should be banned" i would of passed it up. But nice try at white knighting, go back to leveling the grown folks are talking.

[silentwindfr]

even, if i'm not ok with what say the op, it make me wonder something...
what if, and i say if, the people selling titan run are gilseller?
i means they already sell powerleveling 1-50, why not sell gil to the same person and get it back by offering titan hm?
sam for the craft at 1.000.000 we all know it fairly impossible to get this money from the quest and the leves, what the point to sell stuff at this price? because token are involved, yeah is true but even this 1.000.000 gils.... what you will do with this amount of gil?

i'm curious about this... maybe i'm paranoid but admit it's scary in a way... we always think that gilseller are botter, but that maybe the trouble... what if they are not botter?

[silentwindfr]

joke aside all of this is born from two thing:
- 1) the incoming housing! people want to save as much as possible gils for buy the top notch house, since we know that they will be in limited number.
- 2) the fact that gils are rare! you can say, yeah with the market, it was proved by other than me (and more fluent in english than me) that the gil generation actually is too weak.

and i think the 2 is here because of the 1, about the people that sell titan run it's them right... but i feel that the one that have buy it have steal them relic or them acces to bahamut.
anyway, is not bannable and surely will never be...

[Ryios]

People in game should be allowed to make money anyway they want as long as it's not with a hack or exploit. Where people got the money they are using to buy said services is not the responsibility of the one offering said service. That would be like a car salesman going to jail because you bought a 2013 Corolla from him with money robbed from a bank. How is that the salesman's fault?

[Bizniztyme]

It's a service someone can offer if they don't like to craft or farm for gil. Let them be, there's nothing wrong with what they're doing. It takes skill to do this, not everyone can do it, that's why you have people that will pay for this service.

[Sartaj]

Mercing is against ToS in FFXI now, people get actively banned for FC parties. I wouldn't be surprised if this transfered to FFXIV at some point.

That is pretty weak on SE's part. Players should be allowed to make money any way they can, so long as it's not using some method of scamming. I don't see anything wrong selling runs. A group of good raiders who are just farming at this point while they wait for new content want to make some extra gil. Some guy with gil wants to get an easy run because he is lazy or has other circumstances concerning it. Two groups with a common interest meet and an exchange is occurred.

This is nothing more than the selling of a service that is ongoing in many games - and please everyone spare me the whole "this is ff14 not other games!" argument. The selling of the service can hardly be considered much different than the selling of a product.

The way I see it, the main, vocal people against the selling of runs are either too poor to afford it, and thus jealousy is making them whine. Or the gold sellers are aggravating them to a point they are trying to blame anything and everything for it. The gold sellers aren't going to disappear with this. And for the record, I don't buy runs with gil nor do I plan to. But just because I don't have an interest in it doesn't mean I see it as something wrong. In terms of money making and "game morals", it's far from wrong. And if Square were to make this an actual offence, they'd just be making another amateur move by listening to a vocal minority.

There are plenty of things to whine about in this game that are much more important than better players trying to sell a service, lads.

[Mikejconnor]

DoW/DoM selling their services is no different than a crafter selling their services.
if someone cant/wont do a dungeon for whatever reason and they have the money, who cares. its smart business.

now if the person bought gold to afford that service they are the only one in the wrong.

rmt is against the eula
pc's playing the game and exchanging gil between themselves is not.

tl/dr If im follwing the rules i can give MY gil to whoever for whatever i want. ^^

[Furious]

That is pretty weak on SE's part. Players should be allowed to make money any way they can, so long as it's not using some method of scamming. I don't see anything wrong selling runs. A group of good raiders who are just farming at this point while they wait for new content want to make some extra gil. Some guy with gil wants to get an easy run because he is lazy or has other circumstances concerning it. Two groups with a common interest meet and an exchange is occurred.

This is nothing more than the selling of a service that is ongoing in many games - and please everyone spare me the whole "this is ff14 not other games!" argument. The selling of the service can hardly be considered much different than the selling of a product.

The way I see it, the main, vocal people against the selling of runs are either too poor to afford it, and thus jealousy is making them whine. Or the gold sellers are aggravating them to a point they are trying to blame anything and everything for it. The gold sellers aren't going to disappear with this. And for the record, I don't buy runs with gil nor do I plan to. But just because I don't have an interest in it doesn't mean I see it as something wrong. In terms of money making and "game morals", it's far from wrong. And if Square were to make this an actual offence, they'd just be making another amateur move by listening to a vocal minority.

There are plenty of things to whine about in this game that are much more important than better players trying to sell a service, lads.

What they are selling is a way to skip parts of progression, thereby lowering the average time people stay subscribed. The fact that it is just "selling a sevice" doesn't intrinsically make it ok. Prostitution is "just a server". Assassination is "just a service". "Just a service" means nothing.

I neither need the service, nor would have trouble affording it. However, I find that it drastically cheapens the content in the game. Were it not possible to sell merc runs, you would know that everyone with relic weapons has beaten Titan at some point. As it stands, people with relic weapons may have just afked through titan. This mightn't be a big deal to you, but to me it just makes everything ho-hum, nothing has any value or meaning.

Crafting is very different to DoW/M content. Everyone can craft the highest tier hq items given the money and time - there is very little skill aspect to it. Furthermore, it is an economy designed to run on players selling to other players - if players are able to buy better quality PvE items through carries, this reduces the market for crafters, who's gear is meant to act as a stopgap while people complete their PvE content.

tl/dr If im follwing the rules i can give MY gil to whoever for whatever i want. ^^

The rules are set by SE, and are malleable. Like I said, SE already changed the rules in FFXI to remove the practice of "mercing". It's not quite the same as for this, because most of the mercing there was done for xp parties and carried out largely by RMT groups, but the fact remains that the precident is there.