Should this be bannable/reportable?

[Taruranto]

lol, these things are old as mmorpg themselves and they have always been legal. I made tons of bucks my offering a teleport service in FFXI.

[moody]

Merc runs shouldn't be a bannable offense. They should be a shame-able one. If the community refuses to accept that as a standard and castigates people offering it and buying it then it will go underground as a minor niche service instead of becoming a standard thing to see. The problem is that the community overall has to establish some idea of acceptable action and so far we haven't got that. Give it a couple more weeks until the "1st month free" people disappear and then start working to create the community you want.

[jdlswan]

yea your not gonna win this fight OP, mercs will always be around as long as its not RMT.

[Malix]

You took the time to read it yourself. You say that like he had any influence over your own decision whether to read or not.

Your statement makes no sense because it assumes i knew what the topic was about just by reading the title. The title itself makes you believe it was something worth mentioning. Believe me if it said something like "people who sell wins should be banned" i would of passed it up. But nice try at white knighting, go back to leveling the grown folks are talking.

[Sartaj]

Mercing is against ToS in FFXI now, people get actively banned for FC parties. I wouldn't be surprised if this transfered to FFXIV at some point.

That is pretty weak on SE's part. Players should be allowed to make money any way they can, so long as it's not using some method of scamming. I don't see anything wrong selling runs. A group of good raiders who are just farming at this point while they wait for new content want to make some extra gil. Some guy with gil wants to get an easy run because he is lazy or has other circumstances concerning it. Two groups with a common interest meet and an exchange is occurred.

This is nothing more than the selling of a service that is ongoing in many games - and please everyone spare me the whole "this is ff14 not other games!" argument. The selling of the service can hardly be considered much different than the selling of a product.

The way I see it, the main, vocal people against the selling of runs are either too poor to afford it, and thus jealousy is making them whine. Or the gold sellers are aggravating them to a point they are trying to blame anything and everything for it. The gold sellers aren't going to disappear with this. And for the record, I don't buy runs with gil nor do I plan to. But just because I don't have an interest in it doesn't mean I see it as something wrong. In terms of money making and "game morals", it's far from wrong. And if Square were to make this an actual offence, they'd just be making another amateur move by listening to a vocal minority.

There are plenty of things to whine about in this game that are much more important than better players trying to sell a service, lads.

[Furious]

That is pretty weak on SE's part. Players should be allowed to make money any way they can, so long as it's not using some method of scamming. I don't see anything wrong selling runs. A group of good raiders who are just farming at this point while they wait for new content want to make some extra gil. Some guy with gil wants to get an easy run because he is lazy or has other circumstances concerning it. Two groups with a common interest meet and an exchange is occurred.

This is nothing more than the selling of a service that is ongoing in many games - and please everyone spare me the whole "this is ff14 not other games!" argument. The selling of the service can hardly be considered much different than the selling of a product.

The way I see it, the main, vocal people against the selling of runs are either too poor to afford it, and thus jealousy is making them whine. Or the gold sellers are aggravating them to a point they are trying to blame anything and everything for it. The gold sellers aren't going to disappear with this. And for the record, I don't buy runs with gil nor do I plan to. But just because I don't have an interest in it doesn't mean I see it as something wrong. In terms of money making and "game morals", it's far from wrong. And if Square were to make this an actual offence, they'd just be making another amateur move by listening to a vocal minority.

There are plenty of things to whine about in this game that are much more important than better players trying to sell a service, lads.

What they are selling is a way to skip parts of progression, thereby lowering the average time people stay subscribed. The fact that it is just "selling a sevice" doesn't intrinsically make it ok. Prostitution is "just a server". Assassination is "just a service". "Just a service" means nothing.

I neither need the service, nor would have trouble affording it. However, I find that it drastically cheapens the content in the game. Were it not possible to sell merc runs, you would know that everyone with relic weapons has beaten Titan at some point. As it stands, people with relic weapons may have just afked through titan. This mightn't be a big deal to you, but to me it just makes everything ho-hum, nothing has any value or meaning.

Crafting is very different to DoW/M content. Everyone can craft the highest tier hq items given the money and time - there is very little skill aspect to it. Furthermore, it is an economy designed to run on players selling to other players - if players are able to buy better quality PvE items through carries, this reduces the market for crafters, who's gear is meant to act as a stopgap while people complete their PvE content.

tl/dr If im follwing the rules i can give MY gil to whoever for whatever i want. ^^

The rules are set by SE, and are malleable. Like I said, SE already changed the rules in FFXI to remove the practice of "mercing". It's not quite the same as for this, because most of the mercing there was done for xp parties and carried out largely by RMT groups, but the fact remains that the precident is there.

[Alise]

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If you said that a battle service to make their progress go faster is wrong, because it reduce subscription time, then it is wrong for crafter service to supply battle gears which lead to their progress go faster too. Everybody should craft everything themselves then? because anything that shorten their time is wrong?

Think of it this way. Someone want to play a main crafter route, someone want to play a main battle route. If you can buy gear from crafter, then crafter shall buy back battle service too. This is called a trade of service. You provide somebody this service they need, while he provide you a service you need.

[Ordain]

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Why is it you latch onto Prostitution and Assassinations. The sale of sex for money is illegal in most countries, murder let alone conspiring to commit any crime is against the law in almost all countries.

If you are going to pick something to backup your statement why not try something that hasn't been made illegal and a jail able offense that some places will still outright execute you over.

For example, Gilselling is a service that is in a grey area. It is not permitted by most mmo companies and the courts have both fought for and against the purchase of Virtual money.

Mercing is still legal and not against the Terms of Service in FFXI at least I can not find it mentioned with in and, I still have friends mercing with FCs and equipment in FFXI on Unicorn. In fact my linkshell is still going strong in the merc buisness.

[Mikejconnor]

DoW/DoM selling their services is no different than a crafter selling their services.
if someone cant/wont do a dungeon for whatever reason and they have the money, who cares. its smart business.

now if the person bought gold to afford that service they are the only one in the wrong.

rmt is against the eula
pc's playing the game and exchanging gil between themselves is not.

tl/dr If im follwing the rules i can give MY gil to whoever for whatever i want. ^^