I think Summoners are fine.

[Kevee]

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I crit for 1.5k earlier.

Sup?

Bard 400+ Auto Attack is only when Barrage is active.


Mages make up for a lack of auto attack by basing their skills on higher damage on weapons.


Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

Want me to put in mine? Every single thing I run I am #2, or #3(behind a healer) on the threat meter. Is any single instance of a threat meter an indication of DPS? No. However, if I'm generally always in that position then I'm doing something right.

I was in a Garuda HM farming group earlier, everyone relics. 5-6 minute runs. Killing Garuda before 2nd set of sisters spawned. I was always #2. Always.

And that doesn't even consider Garuda-egi who has separate threat.


Tired of people saying SMN is weak when they have no clue what they're doing.

[Rover1983]

@ Nichigo, I agree.

This is one of the problems with the class is how long it takes to get everything in our rotation actually moving. It takes me 13 seconds to get everything off then I have to wait for the dots to tick and do its dmg. The setup is too long for dots to be that effective. Shorten the setup time and it may be better. So not only are our abilities dmg over time, our setup takes longer then any other class to finally start rolling.

[Kevee]

@ Nichigo, I agree.

This is one of the problems with the class is how long it takes to get everything in our rotation actually moving. It takes me 13 seconds to get everything off then I have to wait for the dots to tick and do its dmg. The setup is too long for dots to be that effective. Shorten the setup time and it may be better. So not only are our abilities dmg over time, our setup takes longer then any other class to finally start rolling.

No, because while you're setting up they're still ticking, and partway through setting up you use Fester/Bane.

AoE we're great. We have the highest sustained AoE damage and I haven't met a single tank that can consistently hold AoE aggro off of me when running AK or CM.



And no, our setup time is the same and we put out comparable damage in the first 3 GCDs.

[savant07]

Yet another learn to play issue or take that ignorance off and read the other posts. Summoners are the highest DPS class by at least 20-30% margin.

Do you research. Practice and master it.

People who claim summoners are weak DPS are what gave summoners a bad name in the first place.

[Rover1983]

@ Kevee,

No its not only when Barrage is Active. Go watch any coil runs from a Bards perspective and youll see their auto attacks hitting 3 times for 150 each which is easily over 400 dmg just with their auto attack. Their auto attack is hitting harder then my 4 dots all together, seem fair? I think not, Auto attack vs ability dmg.... Abilities should be doing more then auto attack and in a bard vs summoners case, that doesnt happen. Then you have Dragoons hitting just as hard. Im a bad summoner for bringing up valid points of issues the class has? Ok, sure thing bud. Thats just your opinion. Instead of putting people down, or calling ppl trolls, or bad mouthing, or whatever yoddy yoddy bs you wanna throw my way, how about we have a constructive conversation about how we can better the class instead of measuring our dicks on a forum.

[Nichigo]

Yet another learn to play issue or take that ignorance off and read the other posts. Summoners are the highest DPS class by at least 20-30% margin.

And guys like you that just spit out random stats with no backing and tell people to LRN2PLAY do just as much damage to the class' integrity. I'm not saying you're wrong, but your attitude is piss poor...as are a couple other people's in this thread.

As i stated before, it's DPS application is constrained by the fact it's DOT. Based on previous posts, it seems to be great end game when you are constantly going up against big baddies...but I personally would like something that's fun against trash mobs as well...and that, DOT is not. I'm currently a 34 SMN, and don't have time to bum rush to level 50. I don't want to spend the next 16 levels playing a job that only tops off it's damage at the very end of dungeon that I waited 1 hour queued up to the DF and another 30 minutes to run.

[Kevee]

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Yes, it's only when Barrage is active. Barrage is what makes their auto attack hit 3 times.


I have had a constructive conversation in the past, and even posted what your rotation should be, but people either don't listen or can't do it. It's not my fault if people don't have the aptitude to play SMN, but stop saying it's bad.

[Kevee]

As i stated before, it's DPS application is constrained by the fact it's DOT. Based on previous posts, it seems to be great end game when you are constantly going up against big baddies...but I personally would like something that's fun against trash mobs as well...and that, DOT is not. I'm currently a 34 SMN, and don't have time to bum rush to level 50. I don't want to spend the next 16 levels playing a job that only tops off it's damage at the very end of dungeon that I waited 1 hour queued up to the DF and another 30 minutes to run.

SMN is great against trash.

[savant07]

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THAT.IS.BARRAGE....and thus exactly my point. Learn to play your class BEFORE COMPLAINING

You are the reason summoners are getting a bad name.

[Rover1983]

@ Kevee

How can you say our setup is the same? 4 Dots cast, 3 with 2.5 second cast times and in between each dot cast, the previous dot ticks therefor our dot dmg goes like this and these numbers are all just numbers throwing out there.

Dot cast, dot 2 cast(dot 1 ticks for 5), dot 3 cast(dot 1, 2 tick for 10), Dot 4 cast(dots 1,2, & 3 tick for 15), GCD hits, so our dmg goes, 5, 10, 15, 20 ramping up after each dot so no our setup time dmg is no where near other classes. How can you honestly say that it is? Our dmg slowly ramps up due to our casting time on dots. And while festers dmg is nice, it still isnt on par with a BLM's nuke.