Please stop queuing for Garuda HM without appropriate gear...

[Rivienne]

But they shouldn't be able to try.

Why? I am not saying I disagree entirely about intentionally wasting other peoples time. But if you have a bad player, should they not be allowed try at all, gear or not? Because that is what this entire argument sounds like to me. If you can't guaranteed beat this boss, you shouldn't be allowed to play? This is a horrible attitude to have.....

I can, to a point, concede maybe DF could allow some minimum equipment requirements to improve the chances for those groups who simply don't know any better (though I still disagree with "should"). But that won't help with a larger percentage who simply don't know these fights. And if someone wants to try a fight without gear restrictions, and can find other people who might be willing, why why must the system prevent them from failing? I really don't understand this.

My opinion, I guess, really comes down to this: if you care so so deeply about winning, that anyone who might prevent it cannot be allowed to play, then why why why are you playing with randomly assigned people in the first place? That is what worries me most about this entire argument. It comes across as this angry deep seated rage, that uneducated new players dare to play the same game as you without first having the same experience as you, or in depth reading forums/watching videos first.

And as someone else has mentioned: chances are that many if not most of the people you think need to hear this advice, never come on the forums, maybe any forums. They just are enjoying a game they bought, until some random person rages at them for not being good enough. That..

Being helpful is one thing, trying to make sure other people learn the game is one thing. But this "my way or you can't play" attitude is... Simultaneously frustrating and really sad.

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a) I never intentionally do dungeons under gear if I know it. It doesn't make me any better...
b) The worst dungeon run I ever had was with people in insanely better gear than me.
c) The easiest (most dull. just run run done) was with a tank who was wearing nothing but boots (I thought he was trolling at first.. but I maybe cast cure 1 for a DPS a few times).
d) The most fun I ever had was with a group who were undergeared, (I wasn't) didn't know what they were doing(I sorta did), kept wiping, and in the end, with 1 minute-ish to go, we won anyway. (Right as I was out of MP.)

So. This "must have" attitude would basically have prevented the easiest run I ever did, would also have prevented the most fun one, but without preventing the worst. Success may be a sliding scale based on many factors, but the deciding factor isn't the equipment. However the deciding factor on my enjoyment is always based entirely on the people. If I am with a fun team, and we never win, but keep wiping because they aren't prepared, I can still enjoy myself. If I am with a win-at-all-costs overprepared team, even if nobody wipes? Chances are it isn't going to be any fun at all. And the assumption that I just want to be carried if I don't agree with you, is so frustratingly wrong. Some people are like that, but they aren't the norm in my experience. Most people just don't know what they are doing, and won't know, no matter how much you try and tell them, until they experience it for themselves. Some people, simply learn by doing. And on the other side, maybe they DO know what they are doing and are simply having fun when they know it won't inconvenience anyone else at all anyway. But anyway. I am done.... Sigh.

[Bouteiller]

And maybe someone joins who has done it before, is under geared, but knows they can pull their own weight. Is that okay? I am guessing not judging by the reactions people have, and that saddens me.

If it was a solo dungeon, I'd say yeah you try your heart out, but you're dooming other people and wasting their time if you can't pull your weight. That's a big problem. I hate failing others, so I'm usually one of the best out there. When I get pissed, it's at my own failures. But if someone like you is out there doing things they know they shouldn't simply to make others carry them. That anger would be turned towards you. Ifrit HM is simple, it can be done with a squad of 4. Garuda HM isn't as easy and while not the health check Titan HM is, you shouldn't be so keen to waste the time of others.

[casker]

What's wrong with having to explain a fight? What's wrong with someone being new? You were new once, too.

The other nonsense is not acceptable, but being new and having to have the fight explained to him is normal.

Sorry but no. It's common courtesy to come in having at least SOME idea what you need to do. It's better for you and better for the 7 other people you are playing with if you know what to expect. Going in blind is wasting everyone elses time. People don't want to have to take 5-10 minutes going through an explanation (that will probably go over your head anyway since its just in text form) EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY QUEUE UP. Add up a few runs and that is hours out of peoples lives, when you couldve taken 10 minutes to watch a youtube video yourself and got a better explanation.

If you go in not knowing anything about the fight, you have a higher chance of causing wipes, are expecting to get carried. You're not pulling you're own weight as much as possible, and that is BS.

Yes, some people are new, totally understandable, but you should come into the fight having done everything you possibly could have to prepare. Anything else is lazy and inconsiderate of your team.

[Animation]

I don't want to come and ruin your parade, but I did Garuda (HM) with level 40 gear. and it was me that kept the morale up and people alive, the other healer did close to nothing.
Just because someone doesn't have Darklight or Strategos doesn't mean they're going to suck, as of now I have a level 40 belt simply because I'm trying for the Strategos belt. Don't get me wrong I understand how this can make you feel "Oh this guy hasn't got the exact same gear as me" He may also have quicker reflexes and has a little more skill to make up for his gear. Not everyone is lucky, I did Ifrit 36 times just for the cane. Never failed unless someone cried that my gear was lackluster and left.
It was the same with Garuda and it'll be the same with Titan. I'm there for some better gear, not to ruin your run or whatever. -- I'm going to try as hard as I can.

[AngryNixon]

"Possibility of success" is a sliding scale and I don't think it's about guaranteed wins above all else. It's about not entering into pointless situations. If you've never done it before? Perfectly ok, it can be explained. If you've never done it before and you know nothing about it and aren't appropriately equipped to challenge the content? Also not the end of the world but beyond politely informing the person that they should adjust their gear before attempting the content, maybe even making a few suggestions as to exactly which pieces should be improved and where to get them and then leaving the run, idk what else is really being expected of total strangers here? Deep seated rage? Not likely. The person in question is unprepared, maybe they just didn't know, that's what letting them know politely helps to alleviate, but don't expect to then continue a run after being told in no uncertain terms you just aren't prepared to successfully complete it *while pulling your own weight I guess should be added because it could be that they could carry you*. Why does this have to be emotional "Why can't we just do it anyways?" nonsense. There is no chance of success OR your party members are not willing to carry you, which does not make them elitist assholes btw. That's not enjoyable, it's pointless and tedious.

[Swishytail]

Item level requirements in 2.1 will eliminate all of this.

[Arkine]

I remember how in XI people would shame you to shit if you were under geared, you had to keep upgrading or exp pts would boot you, thus making you unable to level up any further without stepping up your game.

Those were good times.

Tough, if people can fate grind from 1 to 50 in a weekend, most won't bother upgrading equipment and these situations will happen.

[Kallera]

Being helpful is one thing, trying to make sure other people learn the game is one thing. But this "my way or you can't play" attitude is... Simultaneously frustrating and really sad.

I agree wholeheartedly with this, as I've been seeing it alot lately. There are people that are eschewing the social aspect of the game and reducing it to numbers and progression, claiming any other as "not playing on their level".

I think this goes against what the dev team had intended for this game. But some players don't see a community, they see tools, where fun is narrowed down to a success, and people are reduced to either "us" or "Them". This mentality sadly didn't come with the influx of players from other game, it has always been with us in one form(Legacy/Non-Legacy, primary crafters/primary warriors) or another(Hardcore/Casual). To sacrifice community for success is a question that many a FC and LS have had to answer at some point or another, and sadly not all answer correctly.

[Psyotix]

So now I should be able to equip full whites and que for Titan, just so my repair bill is cheaper? And this is apparently acceptable to waste 7 other party members time for up to an hour? Or expect them to leave if they don't like it and sit in que for another hour because I was selfish?

This just doesn't make sense, If you are not geared for a fight and you are expecting others to carry you through the fight or waste their time trying a boss when you couldn't even spend the time watching a video or farming CM/WP/AK for some simple gear. /facepalm

[Geographer]

Why does everyone have to always cite rings as a red flag to indicate poor gear/players? It doesn't help that there are two slots and most rings are unique. "Omg that guy in darklight gear has a crappy lvl 40 ring! what a noob, L2 do regrettable favours to dungeon RNG and crafters." /sarcasm

Leave my rings alone, this isn't high fashion.