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    complexxL9's Avatar
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    Soul Pierce
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synvul View Post
    I understand this. I asked in free company why I would want to use Bloodletter over Heavy Shot. Became a big thing with a raider in the FC deciding to be a jerk and getting blacklisted. I asked why. All said instant and not on GCD. The problem is that this instant spell animation is as long as GCD. At least when I use. So I ignored them and moved the ability away from use. I don't understand this as some abilities it seems like I can interrupt and there are others that I can not. I would enjoy at least having an ability that broke current animation to allow a different ability to be used even if it had a 30 second cooldown. Could at least make a macro then for what ability you normally would need instantly.
    Do you really think they intend people to not use abilities in anticipation of cast that might be required to interrupt? I don't think so, and if it would be true I would be simply amazed about how this bad of the encounter design is allowed.. the more I think about it, it's probably SE just having a low standards at least from the western mmorpg player perspective.
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    Last edited by complexxL9; 09-19-2013 at 06:18 AM.
    Something does not feel right with your game: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/86836-The-Navel-(Hard)-plume-animation-damage-impact-out-of-sync http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/71728-The-problem-with-Instant-OFF-GCD-abilities-makes-combat-feel-less-rewarding http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/91388-Silence-not-taking-effect-even-though-it-is-used-before-enemy-finishes-the-casting http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/86887-Unable-to-activate-skills-even-though-UI-displays-them-as-available-for-use

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    Iriien Kal'vareth
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    Hyperion
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Synvul View Post
    I understand this. I asked in free company why I would want to use Bloodletter over Heavy Shot. -snip-
    Use Bloodletter right near/at the end of the GCD, then use a GCD ability immediately afterwards. The GCD ability will cancel the rest of the Bloodletter animation. It's most obvious if you combine Bloodletter and Windbite because Windbite's animation is so much different from the rest of the stand-and-shoot abilities. If you wait too long or hit Bloodletter too early, the animation won't cancel. Try practicing on one of the striking dummies. You'll need to get used to it, especially when Bloodletter is constantly resetting on DoT crits.
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    Nenin Poponsand
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    It just seems like lazy programming tbh. Rift is now a F2P game and they still manage to make all the OFF THE GCD abilities fire OFF THE GCD.

    This is all a small problem now since pvp doesn't exist but once it's added this will become a nightmare if not fixed. There's no skill involved in sitting around twiddling your thumbs until a spell is cast. To keep the analogy going, it's much harder to maintain an optimal dps rotation, while purging buffs, while monitoring 10+ ability cooldowns, while monitoring your positioning to ensure enemy dps can't hit you while being in range of friendly healers, while surveying the field to pick out healers to target and interrupt+silence mid GCD (1.0 sec for most dps, 1.5 at the absolute maximum), than to auto attack something waiting 10+ seconds to interrupt one heal and resume dps.

    I LOVE all the pvp based changes that WoW and other games like Rift
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    Nenin Poponsand
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    Implemented to ensure a high skill cap for each role.

    This is all fine for now but if SE ever hopes to have even marginally successful PVP they must revert these decisions. It's insulting enough to have a 2.5s GCD but not allowing "off the GCD" to fire when you hit them is a slap in the face. It's basically saying, none of you useless plebians can handle hitting more than 1-2 buttons every 3 sec so here's a system that will make you feel capable in spite of your poorly wired nervous systems.
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    Nenin Poponsand
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    I apologize as usual for multi-posting due to the 1000 character limit. I keep forgetting this is twitter 2.0 for no apparent reason.


    And yes, I fully understand that the decision to keep non GCD skills from firing until animations end was not entirely due to poor programming. I'm just using this forum as an outlet to vent my frustrations. As far as I can tell this is the reason for video game forums existing. Nobody searches for a forum to say that they are moderately satisfied with all aspects of a product. They post because they intend to keep playing the game and wish to improve their own experience.

    I'm sure any SE programmers reading this know vastly more C, C++, Perl, Python, C# and countless other languages far better than I do (with the exception of maybe FORTAN, don't ask) so don't take it personally.
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    Dark Brilliance
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Whole game is plagued by a very annoying delay on almost everything you do. Quite annoying.
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    Karamethien Seraph
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    Fisher Lv 50
    I am a little confused... are people complaining that their instance skills are not going off? or they are complaining that their instant skills, which went off instantly, are preventing the use of another skill for a few seconds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesX View Post
    I am a little confused... are people complaining that their instance skills are not going off? or they are complaining that their instant skills, which went off instantly, are preventing the use of another skill for a few seconds?
    The complaint is that currently any skill listed as 'off the gcd' will NOT fire when used off the GCD until your current attack animation ends.

    This often results in having to hit a supposedly instant, off the GCD ability, 5+ times before it actually fires. From what I understand this was intentional but it seems like an arbitrary and unnecessary restriction.
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    Aestras Laeore
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    Behemoth
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    I don't mind animation locks. I don't mind GCDs. But when you combine the two, it makes for a very awkward playstyle that really draws away from the experience.
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    Xile Star
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laeore View Post
    I don't mind animation locks. I don't mind GCDs. But when you combine the two, it makes for a very awkward playstyle that really draws away from the experience.
    Yea either make the whole thing animation based or GCD based. attempting both is retarded.
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