Sooo. EXP Parties

[Shiyo]

Still extremely boring, the enemies pose no threat and require no strategy or teamwork, just spam your DPS rotation on them and randomly cure people. No dispel, no stun, no buffing players, no skill chains, no MB, no scary TP moves. They have at most 1, sometimes 2 special attacks you need to look our for and barely do anything to be scared of.

We need bosses to grind on with multiple attacks, we basically grinded on bosses 1-75 in FFXI. Why was every normal enemy in FFXI a boss but normal enemies in this are just autoattack + 1-2 random abilities that barely do anything?

[Starlord]

Still extremely boring, the enemies pose no threat and require no strategy or teamwork, just spam your DPS rotation on them and randomly cure people. No dispel, no stun, no buffing players, no skill chains, no MB, no scary TP moves. They have at most 1, sometimes 2 special attacks you need to look our for and barely do anything to be scared of.

We need bosses to grind on with multiple attacks, we basically grinded on bosses 1-75 in FFXI. Why was every normal enemy in FFXI a boss but normal enemies in this are just autoattack + 1-2 random abilities that barely do anything?

Do you expect open world mobs to be a threat? Grinding mobs to get levels shouldn't have any fancy work. Even FFXI wasn't like that, it just had a slow combat system, mobs with alot of health, and if you got after IT's they can hit hard.

Grinding shouldn't be this fancy work that requires tactics. Leave that for bosses.

[Zanfire]

Do you expect open world mobs to be a threat? Grinding mobs to get levels shouldn't have any fancy work. Even FFXI wasn't like that, it just had a slow combat system, mobs with alot of health, and if you got after IT's they can hit hard.

Grinding shouldn't be this fancy work that requires tactics. Leave that for bosses.

then why have them...or levels in general, might as well make a game with just bosses if they seem to useless to you and shouldnt require an ounce of brainwork. Just throw everyone at endgame and only do bosses, im sure the WoW MMO gen crowd would love that.

[Starlord]

then why have them...or levels in general, might as well make a game with just bosses if they seem to useless to you and shouldnt require an ounce of brainwork. Just throw everyone at endgame and only do bosses, im sure the WoW MMO gen crowd would love that.

Well, that's what it seems like anyways, some people want leveling up mobs to be like bosses. I agree though that when you hit like 30-35+, mobs should have moves to worry about. 1-30 should be more about learning your class then worrying about something that can kill you. Learn your class first (1-30), then turn up the heat (31-50+)

Just don't make normal mobs "true bosses" because that defeats the purpose of having mobs to "level up" on.

[Shiyo]

Do you expect open world mobs to be a threat? Grinding mobs to get levels shouldn't have any fancy work. Even FFXI wasn't like that, it just had a slow combat system, mobs with alot of health, and if you got after IT's they can hit hard.

Grinding shouldn't be this fancy work that requires tactics. Leave that for bosses.

I don't think it's ok I can mount from one end of BEASTMAN STRONGHOLD to the other at level40 aggroing everything with zero threat. That isn't even scary, where's the danger, where's the adventure?

Trash in dungeons is just that too, trash, so it's not just open world content. The only fun mobs inside a dungeon thus far are the bee's in qarn and the statues, everything else is just tank + spank and no threat. Why can a decade old MMO create normal enemies as powerful as bosses but a current gen one just creates "filler" trash that servers no purpose but to annoy you and slow you down?

We need enemies as powerful as FFXI mobs in the open world that chase you forever and make you scared to aggro them. I'm never in any danger of dying, the only times I've died is when I've jumped off a cliff with aggro in the open world.

then why have them...or levels in general, might as well make a game with just bosses if they seem to useless to you and shouldnt require an ounce of brainwork. Just throw everyone at endgame and only do bosses, im sure the WoW MMO gen crowd would love that.

I actually ask/think all the time "Why do levels exist? Fate grinding is just one tiny step below "gain exp every 5 minutes for being logged into the game". If all the content 1-49 is filler and the game starts at level50, why do levels even exist?

If you miss those days, that game STILL exists. Stop trying to turn this game into THAT game.

No it doesn't, game is completely different now. We don't want to play FFXI, we want more options to level or more fun ways to level, because right now leveling in this game by far the most boring part. It won't effect you, or anyone who is against it, if they add boss mobs or outdoor dungeons with non-leashing boss enemies we can grind on in an exp party that's slightly less exp than fates.

[Starlord]

I don't think it's ok I can mount from one end of BEASTMAN STRONGHOLD to the other at level40 aggroing everything with zero threat. That isn't even scary, where's the danger, where's the adventure?

Trash in dungeons is just that too, trash, so it's not just open world content. The only fun mobs inside a dungeon thus far are the bee's in qarn and the statues, everything else is just tank + spank and no threat. Why can a decade old MMO create normal enemies as powerful as bosses but a current gen one just creates "filler" trash that servers no purpose but to annoy you and slow you down?

We need enemies as powerful as FFXI mobs in the open world that chase you forever and make you scared to aggro them. I'm never in any danger of dying, the only times I've died is when I've jumped off a cliff with aggro in the open world.

Well, all I can tell you is make a petition of sorts. You have to have people agreeing with you (and a lot at that) for SE to make a huge change like that). They actually did it once in 1.0 where the Battle system was completely changed. If you truly feel this way, make one and see how many people agree with your plight. I'll even sign because it really doesn't matter to me, I'll have fun either way :P.

Edit: Even if that were to be approved, patches will slow down to accommodate these changes. Secondly, will the majority of the players like said changes? will these changes make more money for SE? Have to look at it at a business perspective as well.

[Silverharp]

Do you expect open world mobs to be a threat? Grinding mobs to get levels shouldn't have any fancy work. Even FFXI wasn't like that, it just had a slow combat system, mobs with alot of health, and if you got after IT's they can hit hard.

Grinding shouldn't be this fancy work that requires tactics. Leave that for bosses.

[Zanfire]

Still extremely boring, the enemies pose no threat and require no strategy or teamwork, just spam your DPS rotation on them and randomly cure people. No dispel, no stun, no buffing players, no skill chains, no MB, no scary TP moves. They have at most 1, sometimes 2 special attacks you need to look our for and barely do anything to be scared of.

We need bosses to grind on with multiple attacks, we basically grinded on bosses 1-75 in FFXI. Why was every normal enemy in FFXI a boss but normal enemies in this are just autoattack + 1-2 random abilities that barely do anything?

FFXI put a lot of depth to their monsters, they aren't "trash" and die in 5 seconds, they had a few or more skills each, had more then just "i agro w/e is in range" AI and they linked properly with their own kind (not just with w/e was near it). Its sad as hell to see that kind of depth something this new causal generation cant handle, it was so well done and SE was the one of the few if not the only MMO to get so deep with its basic monsters. There was a reason no matter where you went you were fearful of everything and took the time to lean the mobs and their skills and AI...they didnt plaster their levels next to them or abide by this trash rule.

I like grind partys every once in a while, EQOA/FFXI and 1.0 had it, not sure why Yoshi is so anti-group grind...why not more options instead of taking them away?