3 Weeks in (4 Including EA) Basics still broken? Why?

[CrstyCaptin]

Wait... I'm planning to do the tower once and skip it after that. Getting 24 people together to do a dungeon you'll need to spam doesn't sound like fun. It's hard enough to get 8 now that are decent enough to do a primal!

[SinisterJoint]

TLDR; Stop being a WhiteKnight. This guy's criticisms are 100% on point, and speaking frankly, are specific to Lv50, which is something you can't possibly have experienced.

TLDR; Stop being a DarkKnight. The same people responding in the same way. Here is a tidbit for you. 90% of the playerbase has came from some other game. This we can agree on yes? Great. Now think on all those games, some of which have been around for years. All the content they have and whatnot, now....for the really hard part which lots of you never consider.

Think about those same games when they launched... ahh good memories ya? Whats that? You never launched a MMO before? No... each one of those games had their own set of issues and problems at launch. and all of them were a lot worse, even wow. (If the bolded applies to you then S T F U)

Point is... the game is brand new and some of you expect the game to have 0 flaws and content compairable to your last flavor of the month which more than likely has been out far longer than ARR.

[Kyzr]

TLDR; Stop being a DarkKnight. The same people responding in the same way. Here is a tidbit for you. 90% of the playerbase has came from some other game. This we can agree on yes? Great. Now think on all those games, some of which have been around for years. All the content they have and whatnot, now....for the really hard part which lots of you never consider.

Think about those same games when they launched... ahh good memories ya? Whats that? You never launched a MMO before? No... each one of those games had their own set of issues and problems at launch. and all of them were a lot worse, even wow. (If the bolded applies to you then S T F U)

What are you even talking about? No. Really. What are you talking about? I'm not entitled to an opinion because I've never launched my own MMO? That's how far we're taking the WK'ing now eh? You guys are really that desperate to escalate this game over criticism so bad, that you've literally invited a logical fallacy worse than 'ad hominem'.

Point is... the game is brand new and some of you expect the game to have 0 flaws and content compairable to your last flavor of the month which more than likely has been out far longer than ARR.

No. No no no no no. You don't get to put words in my mouth and then use those to refute my points. That's called 'strawman'. Yet another logical fallacy. I never said the game has to have 0 flaws, that's you.

What I ACTUALLY said, before your reading comprehension shut down; Was that the OP had completely legitimate points. I'm sorry you disagree, but you don't have to lie to be right. In fact, that stance is pretty much the only way you can make an opinion be actually wrong. It takes a lot of work to render your own opinion moot before you even speak it, but you did a marvelous job.

You've managed the perfect combination of 'ad hominem' and 'strawman'. It's so perfect in fact, I think it should have a name: "Logical Fallacy: Prime - SinisterJoint™" I trademarked it for you by the way. Whenever someone points out that your opinion is so wrong, it's reached "Logical Fallacy: Prime" levels, you get to charge them $0.05 (I get a 20% cut, finders fee and all that...)

[Blaize]

TLDR; Stop being a WhiteKnight. This guy's criticisms are 100% on point, and speaking frankly, are specific to Lv50, which is something you can't possibly have experienced.

I'm glad you know exactly what I'm talking about! Cheers

please give ways to fix this not just bash or or people wont listen to you. Constructive critism.

A) dungeon quest suck due to the lack of healer and tanks and dps out weighing them that is not yoshi's fault that is player base cant be fixed unless you come out saying your going to heal and tank not dps for you.
B) I not that high nor do I know the cost of this yet I know why system is in place. what's the point of playing a game if you have all the best gear in a week the no challenge to keep you coming back no reason for you to progress forward.
C) now the Gear I do agree with .. Only reason I could see the system set as it is now would be not ment really for you but ment to craft for some one else witht he extras you get so you could sell if some one was trying to gear up quickly only thing I can think of here. so I do think this needs to be looked into

A) You obviously didnt read anything...re-read what I wrote, my issue concerned going in and having to wait with a FULL GROUP, that means I have a Tank and Healer already and the 2 DPS and yet STILL NEED TO WAIT.
B) When you are locked out of content due to the progression path this game has right now (Most people being stuck on Titan or even Garuda, gives only one real option for Myth)
C) I thought of this, but then due to time investment of the crafter having to farm Philo to buy the mats the prices are then going to be so stupid to be worthwhile for the crafter that nobody in their right mind would buy them from someone when they can get something just as good or better in some cases (Unlucky on Forbidden Melds etc) Meaning buying something wouldn't be worth it at all especially with the incoming(New Gil) vs outgoing(Removal from Economy, Teleport/Repairs for example) of gil in the game.

Again don't take any personal as replies above, I'm just saying it has been though out before, if not by me, someone else in another thread and the problems are worse the more you look into it and think of constructive fixes that it becomes "Why bother with this at all?" more than a "I hope they do this or something similar to help (Issue) out".

umm huh?..

Your replies I'll go down them numerically...

1) Game is not new, some of us have played it for 2 years before bandwagon Mary's came along to join in the fun, meaning we already knew most of the basics in place and didn't need to spend forever learning how to play, level our crafts etc etc. Relaunch does indeed need to offer more for the older playerbase too not just "Look new content for new people Tough luck if your an old player with most stuff at 50 so you will play through our 30-60min dungeons with ease even with the farce we call "Level Sync" have fun with all the problems at 50 and ironing them out for us whilst our newer players get there...we will have fun enjoyable systems in place in a years time please look forward to it"

2) Oh I'm sorry theres only, AK, Ifrit, Garuda, Titan, Coil as content at 50, most of which people are blocked on Titan.

3) Again Game IS NOT NEW FFS....Its a relaunch. That not NEW thats Old with new paint on it. That still doesnt explain the logic behind craftables being effectively useless and outdated by the time you have enough tokens to buy the needed mats...why spend all those tokens on something you would never use, and are so costly nobody in their right mind would attempt to even buy off you when theres easier equivlents out there?! Oh the game is "New" this means they can offer content thats useless, meaningless etc because the game is "New" Riiiiiight.

4) Zip to the end? I levelled ACN (SMN) in less than a week by questing and FATE with the story dungeons as and when playing 2-4hours per day a little extra at weekend maybe. Auto DL Gear no no some of use already had DL Gear from playing V1, I forgot the big ass warnings SE Gave saying there would be nothing for 1.0 players to do other than be frustrated with queues and level ACN, forgive I missed that memo.

I'm just going to assume you are a new player and not a 1.0 player who had a few or all battle classes levelled, and infact I see you have no 50's so to come in all high and mighty in a thread regarding issues at 50 without seeing it, C'mon, you expect to be took seriously?! Be like me lecturing you about something I've not experienced nor have any clue about.
Try not to fall off that pedastal you are on, might injure yourself!

Actually from what I've seen they respond a lot better to civil discussion than mindless raging.

Actually I only see them respond to silly things like Summoning bells in houses, RMT Spam (2 whole weeks after the issue was brought to their attention), Viewing your played time, etc etc. I'm rarely, but do indeed on the odd occurence see a reply to something that gives actual criticism to actual issues that they indeed for over a year led us to believe would not be their.
Forgive me for thinking that the amount of time Yoshi P Said to us those 1.0 players with multi 50's would have plenty of content to do, after the main story and the odd primal fight you might enjoy, there lies one dungeon for a multi 50 at the pre-raid gear level...I don't call this plenty of content, If you call 1 Dungeon plenty, I have a feeling you might be overwhelmed a little bit down the road.

Why do people think that tomestones are supposed to be the primary way to get gear? the game is new currently, but as with EVERY other MMO with a token system, they are simply there to assist the players who bad luck with drops/rolls to ensure they make progress at new gear and not waste time.


Is ilv 60 content the primary area to obtain ilv90 gear? NO!! but it does give you some of the tomestones to help you get a head start. Mythos tometones are clearly meant to supplement your drops or lack of drops in the crystal tower and Coil (you know that raid we have now that is ilv90 drops).

2.1 brings likely 2 hard mode remakes of leveling dungeons which one will likely be ilv70 content (you know as darklight will likely become supplement to the drops from the ilv50-70 content) and the tower which is ilv80 gear and more mythos to help supplement gear.

Just because it is the primary thing you can do right now, does not mean that it is the full plan, game just came out. More is coming and the devs primary plan on gear progression will become more clear.

And lastly why does everyone want full ilv90 gear NOW so that the tower is a TOTAL JOKE when you out gear it by 20ilvs at release?

Again you are another person missing the point, it isnt about gearing at all. Its about CONTENT. 1.0 players was promised, and I quote "Plenty of content" yet all we have really is Queues, 1 4-man Dungeon, 3 Primals, which only 2 you can safely say you will complete/get a group for as people are stuck somewhere at this point. And Coil, which is only being seen by a few set groups of people, I've yet to hear of any fun times in there with DF from anyone, hell not even any terrible wipe times either tbh!

So if you play lets say for 2hours an evening, you spend 90 mins of that in a Queue for AK, you finally get in and "Aww crap I only have 20-30mins left to play, this dungeon takes around 40-60 on average", theres 1 Content struck off your list you can "Look forward too" before you begin, Primals - Ifrit and Garuda are fine, but Titan seems to be a Latency mess for a good portion of people again locking them out of another form of content which thereby leads them to also being locked out of Coil.

Plenty of Content = Ifrit and Garuda, the same content you played in 1.0 til Servers came down for rebuild. Forgive me for not dancing through hills and singing like a cast member from Glee!

TLDR; Stop being a DarkKnight. The same people responding in the same way. Here is a tidbit for you. 90% of the playerbase has came from some other game. This we can agree on yes? Great. Now think on all those games, some of which have been around for years. All the content they have and whatnot, now....for the really hard part which lots of you never consider.

Think about those same games when they launched... ahh good memories ya? Whats that? You never launched a MMO before? No... each one of those games had their own set of issues and problems at launch. and all of them were a lot worse, even wow. (If the bolded applies to you then S T F U)

Point is... the game is brand new and some of you expect the game to have 0 flaws and content compairable to your last flavor of the month which more than likely has been out far longer than ARR.

Before this post I thought you was Clueless and deluded, after reading this post, I now KNOW this as fact. Seriously you have so little idea what we are talking about you're trying to buy Domino's Pizza at Maccy D's!

Launching MMO's, I seen FFXI NA/EU Launch and played til mid Wings Expac. I Saw and played WoW, Conan, Secret World, Champions Online, and many many others come and go too (From Launch/Early Access/Beta's just to Clarify for most if not all). You know what tho, to point out they all was FRESH LAUNCHES, Not, I repeat NOT A RELAUNCH...2 totally different things that its like comparing an Apple to an Orange.

(See I can bold things too)

Oh and to clarify: Point is...the game ISNT Brand new, it launched years ago and this is a relaunch for new AND OLD players alike, forgive some of us old players expecting to see plenty of content we was promised and not a box to watch a timer countdown how long we have sat there with nothing to do!

You've managed the perfect combination of 'ad hominem' and 'strawman'. It's so perfect in fact, I think it should have a name: "Logical Fallacy: Prime - SinisterJoint™" I trademarked it for you by the way. Whenever someone points out that your opinion is so wrong, it's reached "Logical Fallacy: Prime" levels, you get to charge them $0.05 (I get a 20% cut, finders fee and all that...)

I now believe expecting a logical discussion from this "SinisterJoint" person is like expecting wine from a brick!

[Blaize]

Haha who Tagged this as a troll thread?!

It's not trolling when its providing 100% Factual information...really I've yet to meet a White Knight with a Curtana so far up his/her own arse you see the tip whenever they smile. So please come forward to say who you are I wanna know this magnificent Curtana Swallowing Butt Beast!!

[SinisterJoint]

I'm not entitled to an opinion because I've never launched my own MMO?

Lol I quite literally laughed really hard. Who's reading comprehension shut down again?? Clearly yours...

Let's review shall we!!

Launch your own MMO?? No, it's quite obvious the context of what I said was taken way out of the ball park and you think you're still in bounds. So let me break it down for you K style..

If you haven't played a new mmo at launch. Is that better for your comprehension level? Who's desperate here, not me because I'm enjoying the game. You are clearly not.

The abuse of word logical in your post is hilarious, simply because you think you're talking smart but in fact, you really are not. I can use google dictionary too!!

More review.... I never put words in your mouth, read the sentence again. Still don't see it? here I was hoping for something intellectual, look at the key phrase in that sentence... here ill say it again in bold. "some of you"

Oh and to clarify: Point is...the game ISNT Brand new

Oh I'm sorry, do you want me to link my 1.0 character so you feel I have a point in this discussion?? Wont really matter, you seem stuck. You played all those games at launch, hrmm... why aren't you playing them now? right...

You seem to be deluded into thinking that even though we had 1.0 and the entire game was reworked , its still not new? Well... it is new. There is tons of content in this game, but you are simply stuck on your 1.0 character so you feel the game needs to be top heavy. Guess what, no other freshly launched mmo out there is gonna be top heavy content wise, you are an idjit to think there is. Starting to doubt you even launched all those mmo's you listed because if you did, you would already know this. Instead you think that because you played 1.0 that this game should have all contents to keep you busy foreva! What game is designed from the top down?

Just because you want to faceroll the content in a week and then complain you have nothing left doesn't make your opinion valid.

Also for someone complaining there is nothing to do, AND complain how hard titan is in the same thread is LOL. L2P Maybe?? Mister 1.0

Wait... I'm planning to do the tower once and skip it after that. Getting 24 people together to do a dungeon you'll need to spam doesn't sound like fun. It's hard enough to get 8 now that are decent enough to do a primal!

You know why? That's because everyone is trying to faceroll and in the process they aren't learning how to play their class or properly gear themselves. Level 50's in a dungeon with lvl 20 gear on... really? Yea...its really happening.

[Roric]

We all had faith in Yoshi, a lot of us are losing said faith, and FAST. Why? Basic content systems are broken.

I feel like that for everything Yoshi and his team fixed, two things broke. The development team spent so much time making a game that looks and sounds great that they forgot to add fundamental MMO mechanics to it. The game is beautiful to look at, sure, but for many of us it is becoming more and more apparent that they've been pooling their resources in the wrong areas: three dungeons to grind at endgame? No problem! Please look forward to all the mounts and swimsuits and minions you can obtain! None of which you can use inside any of the endgame content in the first place.

[Kobolt]

Would Anyone Like some Cheese with All this Whine?

[Rivienne]

Part of the problem is as follows: they have a fixed number of instance servers for all dungeons, but due to the tomestones a large number of end gamers are running a handful of dungeons all at the same time, putting undue stress on the instances. This is akin to a 1017 or queue issue on login, except it is taking longer because of how long a dungeon run can take. You are waiting for other people to finish. This is further made significantly worse because of the weekly cap resetting at the same time, so everyone who does this, tends to do it during the same period of time.

If you have ever dealt with websites and/or database servers this is a familiar problem, akin to the "slashdot" effect. You have a system that can normally handle daily distributed load, but in a spike like this, you run into an issue where the system cannot handle all request simultaneously, so things begin to time out, simply because your load is suddenly get what you normally see distributed throughout the day, happening all in a matter of minutes.

The correct solution is to attempt to increase capacity, and attempt to distribute load. If these servers for example are segmented by dungeon, then you would want more servers allocated towards these specific dungeons than other dungeons that are run much less frequently.

Also I did provide another suggestion to this problem over in Feedback & Suggestion forum already, but basically, another solution to help prevent this spike, is to distribute reset day throughout the week, so that different worlds gets a different reset day. This means that the spike is going on average, be 1/7th of the time. Which combined with server upgrades should solve the problem.

That said, they have already announced they are working on the instance servers to help with this problem. So I am hopeful. From a technical side I completely understand what is going on and why, and can also understand why they didn't anticipate it (but probably should have).

[Alhanelem]

so the main thing i gather from this is OP is raging about queue instance reservation times. All I know is SE is aware that (mostly on monday) demand for certain dungeons exceeds the number of available instances and they are going to be expanding the DF servers this month (they said middle, so 2nd or 3rd week).

Until that time passes, I will not complain about it because I trust that they will solve the problem by the time they have given. Besides that, i only ever see this issue one day a week (on Monday immediately following the tomestone reset).