Provoke Working as Intended? Maybe a change?

[Ryios]

As a tank I'm rather annoyed at the way Provoke works. I hit it and it's as if it moves me 1 pt of enimity above the highest person on the list. However, if a WHM has regen on me and the whm has hate and I am provoking a mob off the WHM it immediately turns back around to go to the whm because of the tick on regen..

Similar effect if I provoke off a BLM just before they land their next spell.

Now the argument here will be the WHM shouldn't have had regen on you when they have hate, or you should have clicked regen off first. Or the blm should stop attacking when something is chasing them. And while all these things are true, I think provoke should be buffed a little bit, not a lot, just a little.

In my opinion provoke should be like an actual taunt, forcing something to attack me for some fixed duration, giving me at least one GCD to get some more enimity on it before it runs away again.

As it stands now I find myself provoking distant targets then immediately Tomahawk spamming them which uses up a lot of TP and doesn't always work. I also find myself having to use holmgang on some trash so it literally cannot go anywhere while I beat on it.

[Skies]

Well, if any change had to be done i'd say that they could... I don't know, shorten Provoke's range to match that of Shield Lob?
Either way Provoke is fine in my opinion, at least from my little experience as a tank. As a Gladiator on Cutter's Cry I was having the most awful run against the Chimera and I learned one thing, going Provoke -> Shield Lob is enough to regain tanking capacity in one GCD cycle even with the lancer going off at it like a madman. Presumably even moreso had I had Shield Oath

[DJPr3tty]

Provoke is working as intented. "Taunting" is very... dumb and doesn't teach aggro management. Not trying to be rude, but Managing your combos are important to maintaining high threat.

But the fault does not lie in just the tank, Medica spamming is retarded. People don't know how tank emnity works, and thus they spam. As for BLM, people need to relax and let the tank get a couple hits. They need to learn that the combo is x2 emnity, x3 emnity, x5 emnity repeat. They don't know that your first hit doesn't actually generate much emnity.

Provoke turning into a taunt will not fix lack of knowledge, plus it would break many fights in Coil that require proper swapping using smart tanks.

[Mazui]

Most taunts in MMOs have the same behavior you described. But most other MMOs also make it to where a taunted mob is forced to attack the tank for 3 seconds after casting taunt. This gives the tank enough time to generate threat and get the situation back under control.

I would love to see that added, but I don't see that happening.

[Ryios]

Yeah I get it. Just trying to educate myself farther so when I start flaming out punchy dps and precasting regen whm's I have some solid grounds to make my argument...

Pretty sure it was like this in FFXI, but I haven't played it in so long I forget. I know I remember BLM's pulled a lot with Ancient Magic and that they had to basically wait until it would kill the mob before casting it or MAgic Burst with other mages to ensure it died.

[Ladon]

Keep in mind Provoke is not on the GCD and does not evoke the GCD. Following up with a shield lob if far away or a Rage of Halone is usually plenty to keep something off of the previous target.

[Conradus]

As a tank I'm rather annoyed at the way Provoke works. I hit it and it's as if it moves me 1 pt of enimity above the highest person on the list.

That is precisely how provoke works, yes. You use it to regain hate when you've lost it. If your object is to build up a lead in hate, Provoke is useless. Use Flash, Savage Blade, or other hate management tools.

[Ryios]

That is precisely how provoke works, yes. You use it to regain hate when you've lost it. If your object is to build up a lead in hate, Provoke is useless. Use Flash, Savage Blade, or other hate management tools.

Yeah I get that, so let me explain what happens to me in every AK run.

I engage the dudes that summon the void caller. I mark the void caller summoner. I interupt the void caller summer. On the engage I pop 1 flash and an overpower then I drop a rotation for enmity on the void caller (my marked target). However, before I finish that 3 ability rotation a blm drops an AOE and the two non void callers leave me and go straight for the BLM. So I provoke one mark it with a 2 and then I throw my tomohawk at it so I don't move all over the place. But that's not enough, provoke + tomohawk does not get it off the BLM... Because the blm is trying to kill the thing chasing him.

So basically it comes down to DPS (omg we must do this faster faster faster, speed run FASTER) not wanting to stop attacking something. Or they panic because it's chasing them and the're attacking it, making the problem worse and blaming me for it.

If I chase it I eventually get it, but then I loose the void caller. As for the other one running around... I can't tomohawk/provoke both of them so I just ignore it. Craps everywhere.

Now if I do what I said and the BLM casts single target spells on the void caller, it dies quickly, I don't lose anything and switch to traget #2 and we clear the pack in less than a minute.

The problem is the DPS, not the tank. But a taunting provoke would fix this and make runs a bit faster, all I was inquiring.

[DJPr3tty]

Taunting Provoke would NOT fix this. The problem lies with the DPS. They are just going to pull aggro again and again. People need to fix their mentality of a stat that was deemed worthless by other MMOs

[Mazui]

Ryios just described exactly how that encounter happens in nearly every pug. I personally let it eat the black mages face. Then I explain what happened, and how to avoid it happening again. If it happens again, I just let it eat his face again. He will either learn, or drop group. I get instant queues, it's not really hurting me too much.

But ya, a 3 second force taunt would be handy when said black mages takes off at full sprint away from the tank to get away from the mob he ticked off. =P