How do I provide constructive help to inexperienced players in other classes?

[Rivienne]

So this is a general question about helping others. Last night I decided to go back and do a quick run with Halatali with my White Mage since I was so close to a level up anyway. None of the other players knew what they were doing because they were new to the dungeon, and they also rushed in with waiting to talk, or buf.

They genuinely seemed to be open to suggestion. But as a healer, I follow the tank. I let the tank lead and manage strategy. In this case, everybody was winging it, which is fine, everybody is still learning. But while I tried to help, I really didn't do very good at it I don't think. All the more so because on the PS3 I can't type and play at the same time, and they kept running ahead making it hard to have time to try and talk.

So yeah. How as a support role, do I communicate things I don't do myself, to others who may not be very good yet, especially given this "run in and hit stuff" approach some have at first?

EDIT: (Sorry for the long edit.. Adding Comments here because I am out of posts again)

Thanks for all the replies.

Avoid words that make it sound like you're blaming someone. Ask questions, or provide something as a tip.

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The hardest part is to not sound elitist or like you're telling them how to play. Make it sound like a suggestion not an order. And always tell why.

Thank you, good thoughts.

I would recommend getting yourself a keyboard immediately. It makes a huge difference.

Thanks, I did get a keyboard, and have been trying to use it more.

With a group that already is good about stopping to discuss etc, it works well, but the rush in types I can't put down the controller long enough to type, and because of focus issues I haven't found a way to type with one hand and heal with the other.

I might just not be coordinated enough honestly..

Ask questions that will lead into a helping suggestion.

Thanks, this makes a lot of sense.

/em hopes everyone holds hands as he casts Protect!

/p Hey guys, let's talk some strategies before we all run off!

That way you don't have to type it, and it buys you time to actually type a message specific to whatever you're doing.

Thanks, this is a good idea. I will try and create Prep & Protect macro.. Maybe greeting, "Casting protect!" protect.

I'll be quite honest with you, I feel the level 26 thermaltuge skill is more a necessity than many of the skills in our arsenal. I didnt have it up to L40 but there have been moments where I wish I had it, it wouldnt of had affected the outcome because I am good at what I do but it would of made it much easier. The time it would of affected the outcome as in a terrible group

Thanks I have heard this many times and started leveling THM before I ever hit level 15 on my CNJ(though the skill can't be used until maybe Tam-Tara anyway).

But yeah this question is really more about communicating what I do know to those who don't, as opposed to simply survival strategy (that is another worthwhile topic though).

As this game is really at least a little bit social even with the DF, shouldn't we be trying to help each other out, instead of just coping?

Honestly, without having played a class yourself it's really hard to give suggestions to people on how they're supposed to be playing their own class. There's probably some general things you can pick up on during fights, but as to the intricacies of how a class plays and what abilities it should be using when, that's kinda hard unless you have first hand knowledge of the class.

Hmm. I don't want to write you off entirely, but I kinda feel I need to reply because it doesn't help my question.

I have played around with other classes, (THM, PUG, ARC, ACN, MRD) but that isn't the point really. You can give overall party and general strategy advice without knowing the specific class. And if you have played with enough of other players, you can usually get a feel for the weaknesses and strengths I think, especially since as I say, it is about working together.

I don't want to tell other people how to play their class per-se though if I have a specific tip that is great, but if I know a bit better how everyone can work as a team, or general role interactions, I want to know how to best help out, so they can learn their own roles in the party and in specific situations better. I hope this makes sense.