Vote to kick from DF~

[Luffia]

Anyone else think that there should be a voting system that allows the majority of players to vote a member out of their Duty Finder groups? I understand that in some cases it will be abused, but currently there are even more people abusing the anonymity of DF for their own personal amusement.

A few examples that come to mind are; last night, I joined a CM run via duty finder, one of the blms we were partied with said "Alright guys, gl and good night" and went afk right off the bat. Just about an hour ago, I was partied with a WHM, and granted we had some new players, he became infuriated that the cannons were all destroyed by the Colossus and decided to bad mouth the entire party, and /sit while we all fought the mobs and watched as our scholar died.

I love this game and the majority of the community in it, but people like this really ruin it for everyone... I understand it's "lolDF" and I'm sure I'll get responses like "Make a server party", but that shouldn't mean we have to deal with assholes like this on a daily basis. With a vote to kick system maybe these people will think before they start acting like douche bags in the middle of a run.

[Nekodar]

It would be a nice feature if it wouldn't be abused a lot.
And it really would be abused a LOT.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

It would be a nice feature if it wouldn't be abused a lot.
And it really would be abused a LOT.

On what basis do you claim that, other than a personal prediction of the future (a.k.a "subjective opinion") without facts to back it up?

Many MMORPGs have this feature and no, it doesn't get abused a lot. Very little, in fact.

This is a dire issue.

As I said already on these forums, for 7 people to have to wait for 30+ minutes to complete the Praetorium (in the very last seconds!) because a player suddenly chooses to grief others who "lost his time watching cutscenes" is not acceptable.

Especially when, after report, SE mails us back to tell us that "they cannot sanction a player who goes AFK and the only solution is to exit the instance and queue for it again", even if we were, at that point, just waiting to enter the last boss battle. Or accept that a player may enter Castrum and do nothing for the whole time, just waiting for the 7 others to complete the instance, and still get the points. I won't participate in such a joke of "forced collaboration".

Edit: I'll make that anecdote clearer. We were 8 people, most of us OK to allow people to watch cutscenes, but 1 (a WHM) wasn't OK (he said something like "DON'T LOSE MY TIME WATCHING YOUR CUTSCENES, EVER!" (loose quote from memory). At the end, just before the last boss, he went AKF for 30+ minutes, so we couldn't complete that fight. We had to wait for more than half an hour for him to come back. We all reported him. SE replied to us by mail saying that this player's behavior was fine, that they cannot sanction people being AFK in dongeons, and that all we could do was leave the instance and do it again. All for 1 player blocking 7 others because we wouldn't skip cutscenes.

Edit: I'll my definitions clearer, as well.
Griefer: in this case, someone who would, for instance, tell others not to watch cutscenes. This is not acceptable, people have the right to experience the game as planned by the development team.
Leecher: in this case, someone who would enter a dungeon, then go AFK from the beginning to the end, letting others complete objectives, and eventually get the tomes without doing anything.

As it stands, griefers and leechers always have their way, and SE basically says that these are acceptable behaviors that they won't sanction. Well I, for one, wish they at least gave us the means to have some form of control over our teams.

Short of any solution to such kinds of issues, (nice) people will slowly avoid Duty Finder more and more, and this valuable tool will go to waste, abandoned, void of all voluntary, good-minded people. Which would be very sad for players without a Free Company. But I personally can't accept to be slapped by griefers, be told by the authority (SE) that "it's alright", and then be expected to offer the other cheek to be slapped again.

So until we get a kick feature, or SE at least acknowledges that griefers and leechers need to be sanctioned in some way or another, me and my shield will avoid the duty finder like the plague it's-- unfortunately but predictably so-- much too often turning out to be. Not sanctioning griefers and leechers, letting them act in total impunity, will only encourage abusive behavior more and more. Don't expect me to be a voluntary victim.

And don't even start me on insults and in-fight leavers, these basically ruin my pleasure when playing this game. I hope someone saying "STFU", or willingly leaving during a boss fight gets sanctioned somehow (if they in fact just keep on playing when outside, not talking about real life emergencies of course). But I'm worried impunity is beginning to be pattern, here.

[Reezy]

Short of any solution to such kinds of issues, (nice) people will slowly avoid Duty Finder more and more, and this valuable tool will go to waste, abandoned, void of all voluntary, good-minded people.

This is the ultimate result if the system remains as it is. I now only do DF with a full guild group or a premade group from my own server. The risk is just too great to do it any other way.

[texhnolyze]

where did you get that cool sunglasses?

[Kinseykinz]

Dungeon A is most easily Run with WAR/BRD/BRD/SCH. A party gets cued as WAR/MNK/LNC/SCH. Do you really not think there wouldn't be WAR's/SCH's that wouldn't boot the DD's until they got the 'ideal' set?

Or tanks (because they are the most indemand) could be even bigger bullies than they already are. DPS would be further victimized. DPS dies on first attempt, kick him get a new one. Then he doesn't learn the dungeon,gets put all the way to the back of the cue, and the rest of the party moves on,even if it wasn't his fault.


DF parties can be short enough with each other...some people are kind but others aren't. If you wish to cue with a Pick-UP Group, and the group is 'less than ideal' YOU should be the one penalized for leaving...not them. So the current '15 minute cool-down for leaving a party should be good enough' At least it makes you think 'Is it worth just sticking this group out and helping them improve...or is my time better spent leaving and recuing?'

TL/DR: You want to be able to select the talent level/specific people/roles of your group...don't use DF

[Alhanelem]

I don't mind, with the following vote thresholds:

All three other players in a 4 man.
6 players in an 8 man.
20 players in a 24 man.
Kicking only allowed when party is full and no one has enmity on any enemy, to prevent the below fear from being realized-

I do fear that people would start vote kicking people just before bosses die etc to get the loot.

[Shneibel]

because a player suddenly chooses to grief others who "lost his time watching cutscenes" is not acceptable.

the player pay the money just like you, they have the right to watch the cut screen when do Castrum or praetorium for their first time, "watch it in inn" is not a acceptable excusse, it is an option ppl can choose to do it or not.

while I disagree with the watch cs, I do agree with the afker, we once had an afker in castrum who stand and do nothing while the 7 of us do the work.

For encounter this I rather have another report ingame system, or can use the same one as harrasement and SE can check the log and punisher the player by not let him/her join DF for a long period.

The vote kick can be easy abuse, you can kick ppl you dont like, you can kick ppl who doesnt have the gear you want, and you can kick ppl because you can and it is not trackable by any kind

[Mags]

I vote no on a kick feature. It's been my experience in other MMO's that this gets abused. SE has said they plan to put in a feature to allow you to join a DF from your own server. That alone can cut down on the general asshatery with a server can police it's own. You can't swing a dead cat on these servers without hitting someone. Join others that play when you do. Form a static to accomplish your goals. If you want to play with random complete strangers.. be prepared to experience undesirables from time to time.

[silentwindfr]

the trouble it's the abuse will be there.. let's take CM by example, people want to speedrun it, a new player do it for the first time and look a CS... kick...
and any dungeon that people run for them.... token... will be like this, if the people think that the player is not gear enough or is a new player... kick...

before put the vote for kick... it will be a nessecity to work on the mentality that is making the game horrible recently. speedrunner, elitist,...
indeed is not bad if they was not often leading to harassement and trashtalking!

Yoshida have made this game for allows new player to enjoy too the game... the trouble is the old player (not all) are making the experience horrible...
i think SE need to take position and make thing stop before it become too bad.