Please allow SMN/SCH separate stat allocations!

[Katlyna]

They need to put in a mechanism to handle this. It makes no sense to have a system which allows switching classes, only to embed another system which makes switching sub-optimal.

Any user based program designer will tell you this system is non-user friendly.

The only purpose it serves is to hedge players into one of two jobs. And as World of Warcraft found hedging players just causes frustration and shortens subscriptions. Giving players the power to effectively play more rolls and classes to their fullest, allows a higher level of customer satisfaction.

It would be in Square's best interest to fix problems like this promptly for a more seamless design which frustrates players less.

[Fyreus]

Cleric Stance is not an answer because it is only usable on SCH to allow you to slightly improve your dps. It hurts your healing. This might be more useful on SMN, but is not available.

Try not to forget that you can swap out of that stance VERY quickly and go right into curing afterwards (i hate seeing healers stuck in that stance healin unless i'm taking light damage) with 0 problems.

[Rainsford]

In my opinion, attribute points all boils down to preference.

The main Darklight pieces give 77 MND, and AF2 gives 112. So an all INT SCH in AF2 with their points specced into INT is about as effective as a Darklight equipped SCH with their points in MND. The difference 30 points makes on healing is dramatic.

And it seems like SE was trying to take a "give-and-take to getting "2 jobs"" approach to limit the advantage someone leveling Arcanist would have, but considering it only takes a few days to grind to 50, they've only succeeded in limiting the play options of people who level ACN.

[hamsteak]

i'd just like to see the seal cost for the keeper's hymn reduced at some point... it probably will when other classes get a 2nd job anyway

[pandabearcat]

Alternatively, make the Keeper's Hymn a Key Item, rather than a consumable, that allows 1 stat chance every day (or 2 days, or 3, or whatever).

[PiedPiper]

15 points of a stat is worth an entire ilvl90 accessory. Its a pretty big difference. Personally I have both relics and I am running a 15/15 split, but it does feel silly to work at getting all this gear and weapons while knowing I'm effectively running without a ring or wristlet equiped at all times.

To people saying "well I heal just fine" or "I dps just fine." Have you done Titan HM? How about coil? The higher into endgame you go, the more those stat differences will matter. Consider sch: A naturally low potency class that utilizes doubling as its primary mechanic (shielding). In a sense, every mind you are missing on sch is actually hitting you twice as hard as it would on whm (this isn't strictly true, but one can see the point).

[pandabearcat]

Mmhmm, I tried to heal HM Garuda with full strategos gear...pretty difficult I found, while if I had 30 more mind it would've been cake.

Think of it this way, you know all those parties for Titan etc that want you to have full darklight?

Well if you have full darklight gear on with a full int build...you would only have the mind stat of full strategos. And so...they really don't have any reason to take you over a "normal" built scholar in greens.

[Sithlord006]

It might have been intended as a give and take facet, but what it really ends up being in the end is an ultimatum. It tells me I should do one well and then pick another class. In my case, I'll max Mind for Scholar and then level Bard, and it doesn't matter that I'd like to play Summoner, too. It has been ordained that I will always be a sub par Scholar or sub par Summoner.

[Crescent_Dusk]

It's also a completely unnecessary mechanic since you still have to grind a separate gearset to do well on your scholar.

[SoopaMan2K]

I thought this was nulled due to the fact that SCH can steal skill Cleric Stance. But what do I know. Im a WHM lol

Would be nice if Cleric stance was for SMR instead of SCH. It would had been better.