What is wrong with this community?

[Bouteiller]

Every step I take towards endgame bums me out. Is this what I have to look forward to? I'm already having problems finding a group and I just now got to stone vigil. No one wants to run with a first time tank. Insert sad face.

Honey, you have to own being a tank. Everyone is a rookie at some point. Don't let people crowd your style. One of our worst and best qualities is that we are all Divas. Every tank has his style and way of doing things that the others have to deal with.

Every new dungeon I say, "Bonjour, I'm a rookie here so let me know of anything crazy." If they say anything bad, just start marking and pulling. They will shut up once they see you can still, amazingly, be a great tank without running the thing a hundred times.

You're going to deal with hot heads, tough guys, posers, know-it-alls, and a-holes. Our job as a tank is to shut them up and set them straight.

[Synra]

I am coming in late here, but I finally got to 50 and ran CM for the first time.

It was the single worst experience I have had with this game yet. In every single other Duty Finder event I have done, you need only say "hey I am new, what do I need to know?" and everyone is cool about it and helps you out as needed.

But enter CM, and expect very simple things like an explanation of mechanics or to simply watch the cutscenes, and I am yelled at, called a noob, left behind, etc. If there were a vote kick mechanic, it would be severely abused by these people.

I think I read that SE is planning to fix this dungeon, and I hope they are planning to do it soon.

[Reinheart]

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One problem I see with vote kick in this situation though, say if I or you were the first timer and everyone else (should say most) are speed runners and don't like helping new people, when they see that vote kick option, they might turn around and use it on us for being the first timer.

Just to be clear, I haven't cleared CM after my first run as stated in my previous post on this thread. I just worry this is what's going to happen next.

[Kallera]

One problem I see with vote kick in this situation though, say if I or you were the first timer and everyone else (should say most) are speed runners and don't like helping new people, when they see that vote kick option, they might turn around and use it on us for being the first timer.

Just to be clear, I haven't cleared CM after my first run as stated in my previous post on this thread. I just worry this is what's going to happen next.

I think the FATE system and Duty Finder just haven't done their due purpose, and have instead encouraged the "dehumanization" of the MMO community. Having no real content that involves more than 8 players doesn't help the atmosphere is LSes and FCs either.

[Reinheart]

I think the FATE system and Duty Finder just haven't done their due purpose, and have instead encouraged the "dehumanization" of the MMO community. Having no real content that involves more than 8 players doesn't help the atmosphere is LSes and FCs either.

I guess for F.A.T.E.s although I personally don't like the idea of F.A.T.E. spamming, it's alright.
Also YoshiP mentioned in a JP interview yesterday that it was their intention to have the game setup the way it is so people would be forced to wanting to build their own community or join a community to continue on in their journey. Lot's of stuff that would help with the community is going to be introduced in patch 2.1.

Translation of the article I did yesterday here : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1290186

[Ryios]

I don't run DF much, mostly all people from my server via a few Linkshells and the FC. But in my experience, if you are the tank, no one talks crap to you much because they don't want you to leave and make them wait hours for a que again, and getting a tank replacement on a run is likely not going to happen because they uncheck "runs in progress". As such a lot of tanks abuse their staying power and act like complete $%#@. I am not one such tank, but yeah.

Personally I take Duty Finder with a grain of salt. It's a luxury feature of the game and you shouldn't depend on it. It is really easy to form a linkshell for level 50 only players and get runs for castrum together with the duty finder because everyone needs to farm castrum.

In fact when I made my linkshell and shouted for level 50 members for CM and AK farming, I had 30 members in less than 10 minutes and in castrum 10 minutes later. Now we've done chimera, hydra, ak a ton, castrum, HM Ifrit, etc etc.

[redisdrunk]

I think the FATE system and Duty Finder just haven't done their due purpose, and have instead encouraged the "dehumanization" of the MMO community. Having no real content that involves more than 8 players doesn't help the atmosphere is LSes and FCs either.

I totally agree with this.

It's worse than making you view other players as solely a means to an end, though. Since the game is such a mad march to funnel you to level 50, you don't even learn to play your job appropriately with a group. All these fresh 50s are getting dropped into groups with more "hardcore" players, trying to get their goods and get out, and it's causing a lot of contention.

I don't even think the design appropriately encourages you to do things like level other jobs for specific spells and abilities. There is a disturbing amount of WHM and SCH who don't seem to realize how useful Swiftcast is, and it's not their fault. The game doesn't give them any opportunity to learn why until they're suddenly being yelled at by other people.

[Haoma]

It could be worse. It could be the Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 community.

[Ryios]

I don't even think the design appropriately encourages you to do things like level other jobs for specific spells and abilities. There is a disturbing amount of WHM and SCH who don't seem to realize how useful Swiftcast is, and it's not their fault. The game doesn't give them any opportunity to learn why until they're suddenly being yelled at by other people.

How about when your in AK and the tank is a war without provoke because they didn't level gladiator past 15 and wipes on wall 15 times because they can't pick up the flies efficiently.

[LoLo]

This is not hard to understand, you make a game easy, so easy that literally everyone is at endgame simply by hitting lvl50 and wonder why you get trash/little kids/people who throw tantrums. People think the FF community is/was the best because of FF11 yet people here fight against anything ff11 related, why would you ever expect the same community without the same environment, you all asked for a WoW-type game, enjoy your WoW-type community and the trash-finder you helped create.

too funny.