What is wrong with this community?

[Kaedan94]

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Sorry you had a bad experience, but I haven't experienced any of that at all. I'm fluent in Japanese and never had I had someone belittle, insult, or bad mouth anyone in the party. The worst I've seen is a disappointed comment about so-and-so not doing what he needs to or an "I don't think we can do this". Though one time someone did get angry during Garuda at one of the healers. But their only comment was to "control your threat!"

I'm not saying there's not jerks on Japanese servers, but they are tremendously more rare than NA. In the vast majority of cases, people are much more polite and will simply not say anything at all if they don't have something nice to say. I'm glad that you see that it is rare and I also always have the DF set to JE (though I usually end up with Japanese parties).

If you don't like running dungeons in the Duty Finder because the people you wind up with are rude and disrespectful, don't use Duty Finder.

TL;DR: If you don't like it and/or find yourself offended by it/them, don't put yourself through it.

These are absolutely ridiculous comments. And it's the reason that society has gone to hell in recent years. You're essentially endorsing rude behavior. You're giving them a pass. Rude behavior should be punished, not dismissed as the victim's fault.

This is why we need a vote kick for DF added ASAP. So the rude players will think twice about being ***hats because they'll actually have consequences to face.

[Raxion]

These are absolutely ridiculous comments. And it's the reason that society has gone to hell in recent years. You're essentially endorsing rude behavior. You're giving them a pass. Rude behavior should be punished, not dismissed as the victim's fault.

Why doesn't everyone see it this way? The solution to getting around assholes shouldn't be to avoid the content altogether, or to go out of my way to form a group myself. That's absurd.

My point was that people shouldn't be acting the way they are, period. I wasn't looking for work-arounds. I'm well aware that I could stand in RT and shout up a group on my server, but can't you understand that it's sickeningly pathetic that I HAVE to go to those lengths just to be able to enjoy my time in-game?

I'm not looking for ways to avoid the trash. I'm pointing out that it's pathetic that this is the community we're going to have to play with.

[Synra]

I am coming in late here, but I finally got to 50 and ran CM for the first time.

It was the single worst experience I have had with this game yet. In every single other Duty Finder event I have done, you need only say "hey I am new, what do I need to know?" and everyone is cool about it and helps you out as needed.

But enter CM, and expect very simple things like an explanation of mechanics or to simply watch the cutscenes, and I am yelled at, called a noob, left behind, etc. If there were a vote kick mechanic, it would be severely abused by these people.

I think I read that SE is planning to fix this dungeon, and I hope they are planning to do it soon.

[Reinheart]

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One problem I see with vote kick in this situation though, say if I or you were the first timer and everyone else (should say most) are speed runners and don't like helping new people, when they see that vote kick option, they might turn around and use it on us for being the first timer.

Just to be clear, I haven't cleared CM after my first run as stated in my previous post on this thread. I just worry this is what's going to happen next.

[Kallera]

One problem I see with vote kick in this situation though, say if I or you were the first timer and everyone else (should say most) are speed runners and don't like helping new people, when they see that vote kick option, they might turn around and use it on us for being the first timer.

Just to be clear, I haven't cleared CM after my first run as stated in my previous post on this thread. I just worry this is what's going to happen next.

I think the FATE system and Duty Finder just haven't done their due purpose, and have instead encouraged the "dehumanization" of the MMO community. Having no real content that involves more than 8 players doesn't help the atmosphere is LSes and FCs either.

[Reinheart]

I think the FATE system and Duty Finder just haven't done their due purpose, and have instead encouraged the "dehumanization" of the MMO community. Having no real content that involves more than 8 players doesn't help the atmosphere is LSes and FCs either.

I guess for F.A.T.E.s although I personally don't like the idea of F.A.T.E. spamming, it's alright.
Also YoshiP mentioned in a JP interview yesterday that it was their intention to have the game setup the way it is so people would be forced to wanting to build their own community or join a community to continue on in their journey. Lot's of stuff that would help with the community is going to be introduced in patch 2.1.

Translation of the article I did yesterday here : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1290186

[redisdrunk]

I think the FATE system and Duty Finder just haven't done their due purpose, and have instead encouraged the "dehumanization" of the MMO community. Having no real content that involves more than 8 players doesn't help the atmosphere is LSes and FCs either.

I totally agree with this.

It's worse than making you view other players as solely a means to an end, though. Since the game is such a mad march to funnel you to level 50, you don't even learn to play your job appropriately with a group. All these fresh 50s are getting dropped into groups with more "hardcore" players, trying to get their goods and get out, and it's causing a lot of contention.

I don't even think the design appropriately encourages you to do things like level other jobs for specific spells and abilities. There is a disturbing amount of WHM and SCH who don't seem to realize how useful Swiftcast is, and it's not their fault. The game doesn't give them any opportunity to learn why until they're suddenly being yelled at by other people.

[Ryios]

I don't even think the design appropriately encourages you to do things like level other jobs for specific spells and abilities. There is a disturbing amount of WHM and SCH who don't seem to realize how useful Swiftcast is, and it's not their fault. The game doesn't give them any opportunity to learn why until they're suddenly being yelled at by other people.

How about when your in AK and the tank is a war without provoke because they didn't level gladiator past 15 and wipes on wall 15 times because they can't pick up the flies efficiently.