Endgame Progression, Elitism and You

[Gugnir]

Op no offence but like your gear is trash. Maybe you should work on it before calling other people out. Just saying.

[mekia]

I agree with some point's and also understand you don't NEED DL for Ifrit or Garuda but it damn well helps a lot to have it.
And for Titan people with normal AF should not even queue because they waste everyone's time. It is not only about the dps or healing output, it is the extra VIT which makes a huge difference. A healer with 2.5k health or 3.2k is a huge difference and can and will save your life when something goes wrong.
Or for DD's 3.2k to 3.7k (At least for BRD's). With normal AF and white accessories you're just a burden to your team (at Titan).

[AngryNixon]

The running theme of this thread seems to be 'if you know what you're doing, it'll be ok.' Really? Hmmm... News to me. I tend to picture the conditions for success in content as kind of inversely related. That is to say a high level of knowledge can pair with a low level of gear to equate to success and the same can be said of a high level of gear and a low level of knowledge, mostly because better gear increases the margin for error.

The trouble, I think, lies with the subjective answers to questions of minimum requirements for content. There is an objective measure to found there and the real fun, in my opinion, is finding it. The benefits of finding that objective cut off in terms of gear requirements have other applications too like potentially allowing you to run content in shitty gear for the purposes of spirit binding it, never mind the core benefit which is to impart some clear information and realistic expectations onto the community. Distorted expectations cause more conflict than they're worth. It's hard to see eye-to-eye when you're both living separate 'truths'.

As an aside, if you say "You can't do this without X" and someone says "actually, I've done it and continue to do it with less." You were mistaken. Revise your assumptions. Be happy in the knowledge that you've learned something new. Move on.

[Alemana]

Honestly people, the guy's trying to give advice on how to save yourself a completely stressful situation of "OMG HOW DO I GET GEAR" and fucking lays it out for you.... AND YOU ALL CALL HIM AN ELITEST DOUCHE?!

I for one liked this post, it gives me and my friends a very good idea of where to start once we hit 50. He said no to a Garuda Hard Mode, he didn't say "up yours buddy I'm not even gonna help you get the basic end-game gear hahahahha n00bz l0l xD". Please learn to read the situation.

Faith in community ever dwindling.

Edit: To those who think he is being an elitest and your gear doesn't matter for these things; by all means gather up a group of "non-geared" people in AF gear or whatever the substandard for these things are and do it. Let us know how it goes. From what I've heard, it isn't pretty.

[Nationalcity]

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He is a Douche, don't try defending him. He wouldn't even bother helping someone in his LS try to tackle the content and you come on here white knighting him PLS..........

I'm sure with that attitude your a real productive member of your FC or LS too..... I just don't see the harm in trying to help someone out whether there under geared or not is it really that much of an inconvenience to you. Is your time really that precious.......

What's funny though is I think the OP actually thought he was gonna get a completely different response and people would be praising this topic and instead it went the opposite way and now we have a couple butthurt people in the thread.........

[Alemana]

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He is a Douche, don't try defending him. He wouldn't even bother helping someone in his LS try to tackle the content and you come on here white knighting him PLS..........

I'm sure with that attitude your a real productive member of your FC or LS too..... I just don't see the harm in trying to help someone out whether there under geared or not is it really that much of an inconvenience to you. Is your time really that precious.......

What's funny though is I think the OP actually thought he was gonna get a completely different response and people would be praising this topic and instead it went the opposite way and now we have a couple butthurt people in the thread.........

I mean I really considered ripping you apart on so many things here, but the fact that you can neither comprehend a post and completely fit in with this sheep mentality of a forum seems to be a greater insult then any I could throw at you.

It's cute that you pretend to know my habits based off a post that A) neither directly nor indirectly states anthing about my personal attitudes and character and B) try to throw the "white knight" phrase at me. Here's a little advice for you buddy; not everyone you don't agree with is a "white knight". I mean if you're going to throw that phrase out there at least use it correctly.

I don't claim to know OP, and frankly I find it odd that you can call him a douche when you're on completely different servers and have nothing to do with each other. I bet you're a real gem to talk to for 3 minutes over the phone or something since you obviously have the ability to sum up a person in a few paragraphs.

The only butthurt people I see in this thread are people who are slandering a post they probably didn't even read.

Also I need to point out I disagree with you, if this isn't immediately obvious. Is this the part where I call you a white knight?

Oh, and there appears to be a problem with your period key (it's the little . if you're uneducated, just sayin') It looks like it's stuck or something because everytime you press it like 5 more appear after it o.o I can recommend some good cleaning products if you like.

[AngryNixon]

Not sure where all this hate for the OP comes from. He tried to be informative, some of his information might have been a bit off, and I think by reading the thread a fuller picture of what the objective measure for success is might have started to come together for someone who didn't know the answer before. Not the end of the world and it certainly doesn't make him an elitist. Also, taking his FC member's reaction as fact for the sake of argument, I'd kick them out of the FC probably. Instead of beginning a dialogue hopefully leading to a realistic answer and maybe some self-improvement on the part of the OP and the FC member who was supposedly under-geared, the immediate knee jerk reaction was hostile and defensive. Don't need people like that in an FC. The OP was doing what he thought was helpful, no need to jump down his throat about it.

Help and carry don't mean the same thing. 'Helping' people who won't help themselves isn't helping. He never said "I'll never run it with you, fuck you." I'd wager he'd maybe even happily run WT or AK with this person to help them gear up (correct me if I'm wrong OP) in order to help them with Garuda HM later, had they not immediately jumped down his throat.

[Huxer]

Good read, would read again. To all the people who have been bashing him. Shame...shame on you. You either know he has a point but you disagree on some of the details or you just don't want to hear the truth. Suck it up cupcake, go big or go home.

[Jahaudant]

Before you DF for Garuda, Titan, or whatever ask yourself the following question:

"If everyone in the party had to use exactly the same equipment as I am currently wearing, would we win?"

If the answer is no please don't queue.

Many people put hours and hours of effort in to their gear before doing harder content, when these people get partnered with others who have put zero effort in it's nothing short of offensive. DFing AK in item level 40 gear is selfish.

[AngryNixon]

Before you DF for Garuda, Titan, or whatever ask yourself the following question:

"If everyone in the party had to use exactly the same equipment as I am currently wearing, would we win?"

If the answer is no please don't queue.

I'd add to this the following. If you don't know the answer to that question, maybe it's incumbent upon you to do a little research and find out. Personal responsibility.