Endgame Progression, Elitism and You

[Almalexia]

Really? You're making it sound like this is a serious job and that we can't enjoy a game and laugh with friends without best gear.

I'd rather play with a group of friends and be laughing about us dying as long as we're having fun. Not everyone wants to turn the MMO into a job and only be able to play with bestest gear ever because people end up saying: "Not enough gear, please come back later."

Especially to an FC mate, learn to just enjoy the game and laugh with others.

You look at your strategy and see it is solid. You look at your party and see they are focused. If you still can't beat the content, where do you look next?

Hint: it's not your Laughter Levels or Friendship XP.

[Parodine]

I know you're not going to get a consensus from anyone on this, but could someone let me know what the general gear requirements for Garuda and Titan? I imagine Titan is full darklight or at least close to it, but rather than show up undergeared on DF, I'd be interested in knowing.

[Hachiko]

It depends on your class.

I would say if you were to average up the ilvl of every non weapon item it's something like:

Ifrit = ilvl 50 average ilvl 44 weapon
Garuda = ilvl 60 average ilvl 49 weapon (Tank) or ilvl 55 Weapon (DPS)
Titan = ilvl 65 average* ilvl 60 weapon

*On Titan, DPS and Heals have to have over 3300 health, so that means that that it's better to upgrade Darklight main pieces, and rely on offset (AK accessories) than the other way around, as that gives more of an HP buffer.

Garuda really doesn't require more than AF unless you're the main tank.

Are you kidding? Main tanking Garuda doesn't even do that much damage. Particularly as a PLD tank you don't need that much because you only have to worry about damage when adds are out, and then you can just pop cooldowns and be fine. The other demands on the tank are 100% positional.

It's far more demanding on DPS and to a lesser extent healers. Garuda is basically impossible without 4 DPS that know what they're doing and have the gear to take the adds down (and the feathers, to a lesser extent). If you cant down both adds in time, it's basically a party wipe, in addition to taking much much longer due to the fact that Garuda will heal for way too much health. Trying to do Garuda with 4 dps less than 100/sec will just result in failure after failure.

[XyleHarkyn]

It depends on your class.

I would say if you were to average up the ilvl of every non weapon item it's something like:

Ifrit = ilvl 50 average ilvl 44 weapon
Garuda = ilvl 60 average ilvl 49 weapon (Tank) or ilvl 55 Weapon (DPS)
Titan = ilvl 65 average* ilvl 60 weapon

*On Titan, DPS and Heals have to have over 3300 health, so that means that that it's better to upgrade Darklight main pieces, and rely on offset (AK accessories) than the other way around, as that gives more of an HP buffer.

This is pretty much on point for the weapons. The Titan advice is awesome too. Thanks for sharing!

[Psykloned]

Honestly I've seen many people do HM Garuda just fine with full AF and/or some AK/Darklight pieces.
But to the OP: You tell them they should run Wanderer's? Why? A DPS queueing for Wanderer's may as well just queue for AK considering the wait time is still horrid and the drops from Wanderer's are pretty much good for only one thing, and that's converting into materia. Not to mention the amount of farming of AK, CM etc for Tomes of Philosophy for Darklight gear.

A lot of people just want to experience the content, which by all means let them. The more experience people get the better duty finder/PUGs will be.

[XyleHarkyn]

Honestly I've seen many people do HM Garuda just fine with full AF and/or some AK/Darklight pieces.
But to the OP: You tell them they should run Wanderer's? Why? A DPS queueing for Wanderer's may as well just queue for AK considering the wait time is still horrid and the drops from Wanderer's are pretty much good for only one thing, and that's converting into materia. Not to mention the amount of farming of AK, CM etc for Tomes of Philosophy for Darklight gear.

A lot of people just want to experience the content, which by all means let them. The more experience people get the better duty finder/PUGs will be.

I have ran AK before several times with everyone in mostly AF gear, myself included. First boss is a bit of a wall if you lack the gear.

Mind you if you have 3 awesomely geared folks and one not so amazingly geared but skilled, you can still trek through it. The reason I say to run WP first is so you don't have to be that guy.

[MrFoxx]

I am to an elitist. I dont want to carry you.

[Naberrie]

I am to an elitist.

It's, "I too am an elitist."

[Veis]

Don't worry OP, the people who screech about elitists not wanting to carry them through content usually leave because they think the community is bad.

They don't want to work for anything and think their gear is fine because they once got into a group that had good gear and made up for their lack of effort.

These are the same people who swarm to the next mmo after the first 2-3 months and the process repeats itself. They start by saying "I hope this game isn't as elitist as ALL the previous games I've played."

Anyway... just wait for all the crying to start at 2.1 when they put ilvl limits on the duty finder. :3

[XyleHarkyn]

Don't worry OP, the people who screech about elitists not wanting to carry them through content usually leave because they think the community is bad.

They don't want to work for anything and think their gear is fine because they once got into a group that had good gear and made up for their lack of effort.

These are the same people who swarm to the next mmo after the first 2-3 months and the process repeats itself. They start by saying "I hope this game isn't as elitist as ALL the previous games I've played."

Anyway... just wait for all the crying to start at 2.1 when they put ilvl limits on the duty finder. :3

There are people who genuinely care about progress but do not know where to go, but I can't argue that the type of player that you describe also exists.

Hopefully this generates discussion on the issue at least. Thanks for sharing!