Very Hard To Acquire Money (Gil) In This Game

[Riot55]

Yeah you can call me ignorant all you want, or people who "don't want to do" whatever makes decent money, but that's their fault. Sometimes you don't always get to do what you want 100%, so if gathering is boring to you, either suck it up to make some money and then take a break from it for awhile or don't do it and choose another avenue. Go kill stuff for fleece, snurble tufts, diremite thread, etc. etc., or run CM and buy coke/animal fat/etc. to sell for 40-50k per every second CM run. That's potentially 75k an hour right there. Just tired of people complaining for what essentially amounts to them either being lazy or not even trying to understand how to make money, and then coming here to complain that the game is fundamentally flawed when it is actually their own deficiency.

[Slatervonjager]

people who "don't want to do" whatever makes decent money, but that's their fault.

You assume that all players have the time to dedicate to doing so. There are those who cannot do so. Not everyone has the time to dedicate to doing all of that. You cannot expect people to do everything, if they do not posses the ability to do so.

And again, and this is something all of you who say "go craft/gather/farm" seem to fail at understanding, if everyone does plays the MB, then NO ONE WILL MAKE MONEY IN THIS GAME! It's easy enough to make money by selling for way less then the obvious RMTs on the MB, but if everyone starts crafting/gathering/farming and selling on MB, guess what, now the entire server is competing against one another, and then no one is buying, meaning that no one is making any money. And then we ALL have the same problem.

[busta]

You assume that all players have the time to dedicate to doing so. There are those who cannot do so. Not everyone has the time to dedicate to doing all of that. You cannot expect people to do everything, if they do not posses the ability to do so.

And again, and this is something all of you who say "go craft/gather/farm" seem to fail at understanding, if everyone does plays the MB, then NO ONE WILL MAKE MONEY IN THIS GAME! It's easy enough to make money by selling for way less then the obvious RMTs on the MB, but if everyone starts crafting/gathering/farming and selling on MB, guess what, now the entire server is competing against one another, and then no one is buying, meaning that no one is making any money. And then we ALL have the same problem.

Please take an econ 101 class. This made me face palm so hard. You could apply this same awful logic to real life.

[Slatervonjager]

Please take an econ 101 class. This made me face palm so hard. You could apply this same awful logic to real life.

You need to take that class yourself, if you think i'm wrong. in the real world, not everyone does the same thing. You have people with particular skills, that work in certain areas, trade occurs, money transfers, economy can grow or shrink, etc.

in an MMO, in which EVERYONE ends up doing the same thing, there is no demand for anything. If we all do crafting and gathering and farming, what need is there to buy from others, who are doing the same thing, and they in turn have no need to buy either. At the same time, we're ALL TRYING TO SELL. No money is trading hands, no trade is made, Economy dies.

Sorry, you have no clue what you're talking about, because it doesn't apply to real life, because in real life, not everyone is capable of being a blacksmith, a farmer, a seamstress, etc. GJ not thinking your reply through.

[Jeht]

in an MMO, in which EVERYONE ends up doing the same thing, there is no demand for anything. If we all do crafting and gathering and farming, what need is there to buy from others, who are doing the same thing, and they in turn have no need to buy either. At the same time, we're ALL TRYING TO SELL. No money is trading hands, no trade is made, Economy dies.

Wait? So I'm not the only one HQing level 29 boots for casters? The whole server is doing it too?

Widen your scope. Crafting and gathering has a massive diversity, to which your argument doesn't apply.

[Hawklaser]

in an MMO, in which EVERYONE ends up doing the same thing, there is no demand for anything. If we all do crafting and gathering and farming, what need is there to buy from others, who are doing the same thing, and they in turn have no need to buy either. At the same time, we're ALL TRYING TO SELL. No money is trading hands, no trade is made, Economy dies.

Sorry, you have no clue what you're talking about, because it doesn't apply to real life, because in real life, not everyone is capable of being a blacksmith, a farmer, a seamstress, etc. GJ not thinking your reply through.

Even though everyone can do anything they want, not everyone will. Even in real life people are capable of doing multiple professions at the same time. They often choose not to because often it is better to be specialized in a single field, than being a jack of all trades. That and some trades require more of an investment to see a return.

So ingame just because one can have any thing maxed out does not mean they will use it to its full potential. Your average player is not very likely to deck out a craft, and learn best way to use abilities to make HQ end game gear. Just like a lot of your crafters don't want to go out and kill diremites, goats, sheep, hippogriffs, and run dungeons to get certain items. It comes back to the whole specialization aspect being better than jacks of all trades.

Other games that allow for multiple crafts have a problem because often times the only items worth making end up being the consumable items, or entry level gear. XIV did something rather unique in making gear itself into a consumable, without it being in a punishing way either.

[CaZx]

Please take an econ 101 class. This made me face palm so hard. You could apply this same awful logic to real life.

I will start by pointing out your post was in response to someone saying something like "if everyone craft/gathers/farms all items/mats than AH will essentially be pointless because it will be difficult for anyone to make gil.

I am going to point out what I perceive to be flaws in your way of thinking. Now lets use RL as an example. If I know how to do every sort of repair imaginable to my house such as hvac repair, cable repair, plumbing, electtrical, ect than I more than likely am never going to call a "professional"..I mean why when I can do it myself correct? Now what if every single person knew how to do every single repair in their home...my guess would be that most "professionals" would quite literally be going out of business when the majority of their workload comes from..well doing repairs in their own homes.

The point is that if everyone is crafting/gathering all necessary mats..than who the heck is anyone going to sell too? The only real customer base will be lazy people who don't want to hassle with doing it themselves.

I am not even going to get involved in another one of these debates over gil generation..its a dead horse that has been beaten to a pulp already..yeah there is a problem with gil generation..yeah it will likely be addressed by SE. I simply wanted to point out that I see this as being a little odd if your under the impression that anyone is going to be making any money if literally everyone is doing every craft/gathering class.

[Crescent_Dusk]

You're not lazy for not wanting to do an incredibly boring activity such as crafting. I'd rather spend my time doing Coil, thank you very much.

[Vindrax]

The point is that if everyone is crafting/gathering all necessary mats..than who the heck is anyone going to sell too? The only real customer base will be lazy people who don't want to hassle with doing it themselves.

Exactly... As someone who has almost all crafts/gathering 40+, I still regularly shop for things on the AH. If I need to make an item whether for use, a class quest, or whatever, I will check the cost of buying it outright from the AH. If it's reasonably priced for me, I buy it. Time literally equals money in this game. For instance, I wanted to make a few of a specific CUL dish tonight and I didn't have all of the materials in my box. As a 40+ bot, I could have easily went out and gathered the three materials I was missing. But before leaving Limsa, I check the AH and two of the items are selling a full stack of 99 for less than a thousand gold while the third item is priced closer to 100 gil a piece. I buyout the two stacks and then go farm the third mat.

Even as someone who can craft/gather anything himself, I still constantly am buying from the market as well. In fact if you're not doing this, in all likelihood you're not being efficient with your time, if your goal is to make gil. And gil is very easy to make if you have any idea about what items are actually valuable, even if you have no gathering/crafting classes leveled. For instance on my server right now, Boar hides are selling for 800 gil a piece. If you have any level 50 DoM/DoW class, you can go solo farm these with mobs dropping up to 3 at a time. Diremite webs are selling for 500 gil a piece. Etc... With very minimal research, you can make money on whatever class you decide to level.

And lastly, the market is all relative. Even if EVERYBODY stopped doing crafting/battle leves because they could make more money from selling/buying on the AH, no one quested, or NPC'ed any items, it still wouldn't kill the economy. Because it's all relative, so prices would adjust slowly downward accordingly, until a point where questing/doing leves becomes more profitable than the AH, and people would do those to increase their spending power more quickly. So no need for a "woe to the economy - it's going to crash", the economy is fine and inflation will continue. Yes, you may not be able to strike it rich playing AK repeatedly... but there are plenty of ways to make significant gold quickly if that's your goal. It takes a minimal amount of research and just a little time to do.

[Hawklaser]

I am going to point out what I perceive to be flaws in your way of thinking. Now lets use RL as an example. If I know how to do every sort of repair imaginable to my house such as hvac repair, cable repair, plumbing, electtrical, ect than I more than likely am never going to call a "professional"..I mean why when I can do it myself correct? Now what if every single person knew how to do every single repair in their home...my guess would be that most "professionals" would quite literally be going out of business when the majority of their workload comes from..well doing repairs in their own homes.

Even if you can do most of the repairs and such yourself, it is possible to come across one beyond the scope of your ability to fix it. That is what the professionals are really there for. Not the generic every day fixes. Which is why even if everyone maxes out each class, there will still be a need for the skilled crafters. After all, end game FCs and shells don't just take any old tank, dps or healer with them, they want the skilled ones, same goes for crafting.