-Question about 'INT" and Element

[Alise]

-Does this status has any useful to Thaumaturge? I heard from a friends that THM only need pie, and their spell rely on pie alone?

-How to calculate elemental weakness as THM?
if you are fighting with Fire, Wind, Thunder => use Umbral? and if you are fighting with Water, Earth, Ice => use Astral? I try to test them today, but they kidda so similar damage whether I use Astral spell or Umbral spell...

[VydarrTyr]

Umbral elements are those that you can hold in your hand (earth, ice, water). Astral elements are those that you can't hold in your hand (lightning, wind, fire). If you increase your elemental affinities for earth/ice/water, your Umbral spells will be more potent. If you increase your elemental affinities for lightning/wind/fire, your Astral spells will be more potent.

[Alise]

Umbral elements are those that you can hold in your hand (earth, ice, water). Astral elements are those that you can't hold in your hand (lightning, wind, fire). If you increase your elemental affinities for earth/ice/water, your Umbral spells will be more potent. If you increase your elemental affinities for lightning/wind/fire, your Astral spells will be more potent.

So what about element based enemy? To fight aldgoat, it seem that Astral is more powerful (my all element are same at around 80s point) I wonder how does this calculate as Umbral, Astral on mob?

Can you give me a conclude of what element based mob should I use Astral? and what for Umbral?

[Arcell]

Which is really weird because the elemental triangles present in this game are Fire > Ice > Wind & Lightning > Water > Earth.

[Arcell]

If Umbral truly is earth, ice and water then it would be useful against lightning, wind and earth respectively.

If Astral truly is fire, wind and lightning then it would be useful against ice, fire and water respectively.

This is why I find those attributes for astral and umbral to be quite strange. The elements overlap in such a way that one if it's strengths is also a weakness.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...entalWheel.jpg

http://common.allakhazam.com/images/...18ca741a06.png

[Alise]

So it is truely or not lol?

[Catapult]

I'm more of a fan of the idea that all elements can be both astral and umbral, depending on the circumstances in which they are used.

Of course, I have no data evidence to back up this idea. All I have is the in-game lore describing the cycle of moons as being one of each element for each polarity.
ie: Astral ice = Halone the Fury & 1st moon. Umbral Ice = Memphina the Lover & 2nd Moon.
I believe it would be more intuitive if astral and umbral were considered as independent of specific elemental alignments.

I'm not sure if anyone has any evidence of in-game mechanics to support either possibility (would love to see some).