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  1. #31
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    ZakarnRosewood's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehllfhire View Post
    I love how some people retort with this game isnt for you just leave. Really? Because I am supplying constructive feedback on improvements you attack me like I hate the game. /shakingmyhead
    I love how people put words in other peoples mouths. I never told you to leave, let me elaborate.

    This is the game why not like it for what it is. If there are particular systems that you require to have fun and the fact that this game is lacking them gets you this hot under the collar, then there are other games you might enjoy better.

    It blows my mind how people get so up in arms over a game containing/not containing "X" feature that they will go on and on about it on the forums. If you like the game and you think it could be improved by adding said feature then just say so and leave it at that. Why get so riled up when people disagree with you?

    How many games were created, enjoyed and became classics without a single bit of input from the players. Somehow the internet seems to give people a deluded feeling of self importance (myself included.)

    Sorry for going on the offensive, it's not what you are asking for that I take issue with, its how you go about asking for it. In my defense, I did offer some valid replies but instead you choose to dismiss what I say. Best of luck to you, I hope you find the answers you are looking for.
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  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehllfhire View Post
    After we do the quests, they are gone forever leaving us with just fate grinding or duty grinding to level up. I suggest SE have all the quests repeatable, once per class. You can take out the item rewards after the first go through, leaving us with some gil and xp rewards. This will free up duty finder space and possibly make fates manageable.


    It's not going to happen. Why? Because did not listen to SE and blew through the limited quests THEY TOLD EVERYONE WOULD BE LIMITED IN NUMBER!

    It was made known to the public that Yoshi did not want everyone blowing through their classes, and to help with that, he made sure that there were a limited amount of quests. The idea was that players would have to manage the number of quests if they wanted to have quests for each and every class. However, there are people like you that completely ignored this, blew all the quests on 1-2 roles, and are now stuck in shock that they ignored this fact and it now affects them. The only one to blame for you running out of quests is yourself. A level 50 BLM, 21 LNC, 15 PUG, 17 ARC, and 15 ACN and I maybe used 10 side quests from 1-20.

    Next time, maybe you'll listen to SE when they say something. Continue playing with the results of your actions instead of begging SE to make it so you don't have to live with your mistake.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iskander View Post
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    If he didn't want people to blow through all the classes quickly, then FATE's wouldn't so fast to level us, would they?

    No MMO should ever tell a player "ration your content or you'll run out of ways to level". It's a horrible design decision, and there is NO good argument for defending it.

    Leveling alts from 1-30 isn't even difficult. At 30-50 it becomes a horrendous grind without quests(no, leves are terrible, guildhests are as well, hunting log post 30 is terrible as well). And there are NO quests to ration from 40-50(where the grind is the longest. So what's left? FATE grind. Sounds like a blast, doesn't it.

    Face it, your argument is terribly flawed. Stop apologizing for Square. Goodness white knights will be the death of this game if Square listens to them. "There's not a single flaw with your game Square, don't change ANYTHING! its perfect!" Yeah, that'll keep the subs rolling in.
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehllfhire View Post
    Except guildleves are: Crap for xp and rewards (Literally 1/3rd the xp and gil as a quest)
    You are limited to what 18 a day, and they respawn only 6 per day
    My 7 levels on BTN (36-43) over the past two days would like a word with you. Leves are excellent exp.

    You are limited to 18 at a time. You can burn through all 100 in a day if you want.
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    Last edited by KiriA500; 09-18-2013 at 02:53 PM.

  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorfentyme View Post
    Horrible bashing to defend that he also ignored Yoshi-P's beta announcements.

    Leveling alts from 1-30 isn't even difficult. At 30-50 it becomes a horrendous grind without quests(no, leves are terrible, guildhests are as well, hunting log post 30 is terrible as well). And there are NO quests to ration from 40-50(where the grind is the longest. So what's left? FATE grind. Sounds like a blast, doesn't it.

    More mindless bashing.
    At level 30, There is the lower half of south shroud (there are quests), Eastern La Noscea (there are quests), Forgotten Springs ( There are quests). On top of the hunting log for 30-40. There are 8 battle classes (gld, lnc, cnj, arc, acn, mrd, thm, pug). Your first class you shouldn't even need these side quests or if you do, you should be using very few. There are the main quests, your hunting log, the one-off bonuses from hests. The hunting log could get you to lvl 32-33 (I had a FC help me with 35+ hunts)At this level, you get a dungeon (if you're smart and unlock it). More help with leveling. There is no reason that in 3 areas, you should be wasting the side quests on 1 class. At 35, You have Upper La Noscea quests And Coerthas Highlands. There's 2 towns in Coerthas, each with quests. There are the 35 hests. Brayflox dungeon. I don't know about the camp overlook quest levels since I never touched there, but some of the monsters are around lv 35 so maybe they can count too.

    Most of the side quests I mentioned should be dipped into for second classes and beyond. If you're blowing through them on your first when you also have main quests, that's your fault, not SE's.

    I believe at 29, you start unlocking dungeons at every 3 levels. They help with exp. For second classes, side quests in one area could make up for the main xp you no longer have.

    I understand the topic plenty fine. The OP wants the quests to be reflagged because he's out of them. The reason I argue is because it was noted way before launch to discourage people from using them on 1-2 classes. There are plenty of leveling alternatives for classes that were disregarded because you wanted to blow through quests without thinking.

    1-10 you shouldn't even be touching most if any of these. Your hunting log 1-10 will get you to 10 or close to it. I think I did a total of 5 fates each for my secondary classes, which is not bad in starting zones. They are not littered with players. If you complain about having to do a couple of fates in starting zones, the issue isn't quests, but you.

    10-15. Hunting log can get you here. If need be, call a friend in to help with the last hunt or 2. The hunting log can get you to 15, in which the dungeons unlock again. Look, another way to get xp and quests haven't even been touched yet. The 3 starting dungeons during the 5 levels get you to 20 in no time, which very few runs. At 20, Another hunting log, and a new dungeon. At level 23, another dungeon. During the 6 levels in between, using some of the quests in one of the 20 areas (South Shroud buscaroon town, Camp Drybone,) might actually happen, but not blowing through all of them on one class. At 29, there's a dungeon. At 30, whole new areas to explore and a new hunting log. The fact that there are other ways of getting xp without FATEing your way through 50 levels shows that SE had considered this. If a player manages there quests accordingly, they won't have this problem. If you decided to blow through all your quests, well then you chose to be left with dungeons, leves, hests, and FATEs. That was not SE's choosing, that was yours.

    As for being a white knight, I am not one because I have plenty of complaints about the game. The loading prioritization in FATEs is god awful. South Shroud and Coerthas being the worst (+Odin since he pops up in all black shroud). The fact that HUD elements keep moving across the screen and keep needing to be moved back. The damn walls of text every time I enter a city. The fact that the music will randomly just die and the game has to be restarted to fix it. Some issues with endgame progression.
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  6. #36
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    You know you can get 3 people together and spam dungeons back to back for amazing xp with no "reserving instance" timer, right? Exp and drops in one package.

    I've also heard, though haven't confirmed myself, that traditional open world grinding with a full party is better Exp/hour than FATE spam.
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  7. #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iskander View Post
    Insane trolling
    So because SE made enough quests for one class, its our fault we didnt split it among 17 classe? Sound logic. Try adding something worthwhile to the converation.
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  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehllfhire View Post
    So you confirm then that you need to do 3 times as many leves to equal one quest. You could do all 100 leves at once and only get 2 levels. That is one reason (other is no repeatable quests) people only do fates to level up.
    Nah, it's more like 2 Levequests to equal one quest. At my level, a Levequest yields about 7000k exp, without a bonus, and a normal quest is about 13k.

    Levequests might be somewhat comparable to normal quests in terms of time spent, but they're both vastly inferior to FATE grinding.
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  9. #39
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    This is basically a lost argument since the OP is an confrontational child.

    Getting one class to 50 gives all the rest of your classes a nice exp boost. So fate grinding is really fast, I went from 1-35 on a dragoon in just a few hours. A leve with full bonuses gives you just short of what a regular quest would give. You want a sloppy amalgamation of repeated region quests. Leve's are short, repeatable, and require no transportation. What you want is already there. You just refuse to see it.
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    Completely agree with the OP. I don't know the game does not already let quests repeat when you are on a new class or job.
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