Summoner and DoTs

[pandabearcat]

Shadow flare is 25 potency (people say its more than that, but I haven't tested).

Bane is ~110 potency w/ 3 dots.

By delaying bane till after shadow flare, you lose at least 1 tick of bane, while if you shadow flare after bane, you lose 2-3 ticks of shadow flare.

Either way, 1 tick of bane > 3 ticks of shadow flare. So dot and bane first, then shadowflare for adds.

You don't "macro" them, you hotbar them as you can drag them from the pet tab in your skills list, NOT the pet bar. Obey, follow, stay, and contagion (and ifrit's stun, if you are brave and want to actually try stunning with him).

I dunno why you would save RS till after the initial rotation...if you do this, then when you refresh your dots you'll run into syncing problems.

Best to spam all your cooldowns at start (or at least RS, but I like to Rouse->Spur->RS, takes ~1 second to set up, the animations for the 3 skills are very short, macro them together and mash buttons). At this time you should also tell your pet to Obey and attack boss.

Then bio2->miasma->bio->fester->thunder->contagion->shadowflare->ruinx9 or so, weaving in festers. After that just upkeep dots (remember that you cannot refresh RS'd dots until they fall off. And keep up shadow flare, its great, and great utility with slow.

[KaosPrimeZero]

I dunno why you would save RS till after the initial rotation...if you do this, then when you refresh your dots you'll run into syncing problems.

1. By the time i get to fester, RS will be on its last legs
2. RS applies to the first impact of the DoT not the subsequent ticks
3. By applying it before Fester, i can fit in 2-3 Festers, which if they crit i now do over 1k damage per fester. So thats like 3300 damage from 3 fester. Its just better off. by the 3rd Fester RS has worn, and then the DoT either follow or go off shorlty before allowing me to reapply.

Ive been testing many ways and this for me has been the most efficient way. Also for fights like Titan hard your going to want to crit fester on it heart. You need to do as much dmg as possible. this rotation simply allows for max damage.

[Yukagama]

Wish summons were doing all the doting and Dps instead of the actual summoner itself but oh well Summoner feel's like it dosen't need it's summon (pet).

[pandabearcat]

Then when do you contagion?

People state that DoTs snapshot when they are applied, aka RS will apply to all the dot ticks if you apply the dot while under RS, whether or not RS falls off before the DoT itself does. This makes sense because you cannot overwrite DoTs that were applied when RS is up.

If you contagion the first set of DoTs regardless, and do not RS those, then you either

1. waste 20-30 seconds of possible RS/contagion dots
2. only apply 1 (maybe 2) dots with RS.

If you delay contagion, then obviously you are delaying contagion, by up to 10-20 seconds, and that requires you to reoverwrite your DoTs as well. So you lose at least 4 GCDs this way regardless, clipping your dots.

If we just consider the 15 seconds of RS/contagion snapshotting, your dots tick for (35+35+35+40) = 145 potency every 3 seconds.

15 seconds of this is close to 725 potency of 20% increased DoTs, compared to the extra fester that you get, which is 300 potency.

Unless the heart dies in under one application of DoTs (which I've never seen happen, and if it does...they didn't need your extra damage), you will do more damage with RS at the beginning.

Furthermore, even if we ignore dots, you get 4 ruins in the time it takes you to reapply dots (possibly clipping) under RS, so you get ~320 potency of increased damage anyway.

Which is also, higher than waiting for one additional fester.

Fester is only worth 2 ticks of DoTs, its good, but its not THAT good. It just seems like a big nuke, but its damage over time (3 festers in 1 minute, aka 900/60 = 15 potency a second) is far lower than your dots and shadow flare (170*20/60 = 57 pps). You can consider it another "dot" as long as the target lasts more than 20 seconds or so. Its only noticeable as burst when the target dies in under 2 festers, in which case, you probably didn't even need to do it, as any class can bring that much burst in under 2 GCDs.

Again, fester is good, but not that good.

Also I don't know how you can force "crit fester". Furthermore, going off my fester, does ~700 damage normally, 1k crit, or 900 damage with RS, 1200 crit. If say, you get 1 additional crit fester, thats only 300 additional damage. Which is approximately 1.5 GCDs, so considering you have at least 3 other DPS, is about .5 of a GCD saved. So unless you are eeking out a win at less than 1 seconds remaining, it is okay but not necessary in the least. I have seen sub 2 second heart kills, but again, this should not be the norm, and you should NEVER bank on needing a crit.

[Kevee]

Then when do you contagion?

Right after the second bio at the end of the RS rotation.

[KaosPrimeZero]

I have read in many places that the bah why the hell am i saying crit lol sorry thinking about another job while writing hahahaha, but yeah i have read that RS only applies to the very first application of the DoT, not the ticks that come after it. If this is not true then yeah doing it at the start is better but if it is, then you get better out of Fester. Read it in this forum so not sure. But it clearly stated RS applies to the initial impact not the ticks.....

If what i read was wrong then i am indeed wrong

[Viridiana]

I have read in many places that the bah why the hell am i saying crit lol sorry thinking about another job while writing hahahaha, but yeah i have read that RS only applies to the very first application of the DoT, not the ticks that come after it. If this is not true then yeah doing it at the start is better but if it is, then you get better out of Fester. Read it in this forum so not sure. But it clearly stated RS applies to the initial impact not the ticks.....

If what i read was wrong then i am indeed wrong

It applies to the whole duration of the DOT, and this is pretty easy to confirm, because the game will never allow you to overwrite a strong (de)buff with a weaker one.

1) Use Raging Strikes
2) Use Bio II
3) Wait for Raging Strikes to wear off, or right-click it away
4) Try to re-apply Bio II. This should fail until it falls off on its own.

[KaosPrimeZero]

It applies to the whole duration of the DOT, and this is pretty easy to confirm, because the game will never allow you to overwrite a strong (de)buff with a weaker one.

1) Use Raging Strikes
2) Use Bio II
3) Wait for Raging Strikes to wear off, or right-click it away
4) Try to re-apply Bio II. This should fail until it falls off on its own.

Interesting, and i just got the perfect button positioning as well >< gdi lol back to the drawing board. I really miss the 1.0 bar being useable by pads ; ; just not enough buttons for all my main commands

[Alphalegend]

Something like "Fester, Bane, or Contagion have a 10% chance to reset the cooldown on Aetherflow" or "Fester, Bane, and Contagion have a 10% chance to cause your Bio, Bio II, and Miasma to crit on next tic" would be pretty good.