Wait until everyone's been billed

[Norack]

1.0 players are getting billed today.

I didn't!!!!

But than again that might be because PS3 gave me an extra 30 days, MWUHAHAHA

[A-Shock]

People are getting billed already? Legacy players? Still have 19 free days to go personally.

And yeah, they might have 50% player retention after free trial if they're really lucky. There are a lot of F2P and good MMO's out there (GW2 off the top of my head) so asking for a subscription means you really have to have a great product to keep people in. And while I'm enjoying FFXIV, it's maybe a 7/10 as far as MMO's go.

50%? Don't you think that's a bit drastic?

[rtpsoulx]

People are getting billed already? Legacy players? Still have 19 free days to go personally.

And yeah, they might have 50% player retention after free trial if they're really lucky. There are a lot of F2P and good MMO's out there (GW2 off the top of my head) so asking for a subscription means you really have to have a great product to keep people in. And while I'm enjoying FFXIV, it's maybe a 7/10 as far as MMO's go.

Well have fun with your ugly F2P/B2P MMO's

[Trevor]

Well have fun with your ugly F2P/B2P MMO's

ignorance really is bliss I guess, 'cause there are a lot of good free to play mmos

best one is dnf

[dragonblade369]

People are getting billed already? Legacy players? Still have 19 free days to go personally.

And yeah, they might have 50% player retention after free trial if they're really lucky. There are a lot of F2P and good MMO's out there (GW2 off the top of my head) so asking for a subscription means you really have to have a great product to keep people in. And while I'm enjoying FFXIV, it's maybe a 7/10 as far as MMO's go.

GW2 is an insult to the Guild Wars 1 legacy, and the only MMO purchase that I have regretted so far. Other than GW2, there are Tera, Aion, Rift, SWTOR that are f2p. If you consider ff14 a 7/10, then the pure f2p games aren't even 4/7. GW2 might be 5/10. Honestly, $15 a month to play a quality game is worth it for me (it's cheaper than a 2 hour movie trip).

[Ahlen]

GW2 is an insult to the Guild Wars 1 legacy, and the only MMO purchase that I have regretted so far. Other than GW2, there are Tera, Aion, Rift, SWTOR that are f2p. If you consider ff14 a 7/10, then the pure f2p games aren't even 4/7. GW2 might be 5/10. Honestly, $15 a month to play a quality game is worth it for me (it's cheaper than a 2 hour movie trip).

I'd agree that Aion and SWTOR are shitty, also I understand why GW1 players wouldn't like GW2 (they're wrong, but hey what can you do?) I figure FFXIV will go for about 6 months, then switch to F2P and implement a cash shop. That or they'll just hang on with as few subs as possible. Ragnarok Online somehow held on with <10,000 subs. P2P MMO's just dont' really work anymore.

It's a brand new world, time to catch up.

[dragonblade369]

I'd agree that Aion and SWTOR are shitty, also I understand why GW1 players wouldn't like GW2 (they're wrong, but hey what can you do?)

I wouldn't mind if they release GW2 under a different name. They released a Guild Wars game without the Guild vs Guild PvP... which is Guild Wars! I have spent over 2000 hours on Guild Wars 1, finished Tyria and Cantha at 100% and Elona at 80% and did tons of high-end PvP. To me, GW2 seems just like a generic MMO that lacks flair.

FF14 has issues, I agree. However, I am hopeful that the issues will get fixed. I love this game (the third MMO that I really liked out of the huge amount of MMO that I played) and I will give this game a chance. I really hope that FF14 will succeed with P2P model because honestly, I feel that P2P always have a better community than F2P games. Also, I think SE deserves some money for this amazing game.

[Azadross]

People are getting billed already? Legacy players? Still have 19 free days to go personally.

And yeah, they might have 50% player retention after free trial if they're really lucky. There are a lot of F2P and good MMO's out there (GW2 off the top of my head) so asking for a subscription means you really have to have a great product to keep people in. And while I'm enjoying FFXIV, it's maybe a 7/10 as far as MMO's go.

Personally I wouldn't be puting GW2 up there as any sort of shining light in the MMORPG sphere. And with F2P games I've played and spent money in a number of titles and now I'm done with them, unless of course you like lockboxes and being at first gently pushed and then at any sort of end-game shoved into the cash shop, yep no thanks.

[Cairn]

I subscribed for 180 days too, only 4794 cryta.

[Aketo]

Oh have you not read the billing site is broken yet again no 1.0 vets can get on right now since none of us can sub no matter what service plan we go with, just a warning to non 1.0 players.