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    Player
    FTMshovah's Avatar
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    Amaterasu Omikami
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Arale View Post
    A big reason WHM's generate so much hate over SCH is increased potency, more overall healing, and most importantly, they do not split hate with a pet, whereas a scholar does. I'm pretty sure that'll get nerfed though. xD
    This is not true. I ran HM Titan as a SCH the other day with two WHMs. One was spamming Med II and Cure II enough to pull aggro off tank during the heart phase. Healing meter still showed me as having overall healed more than him and that doesn't factor in shield, group shield, pet heals, and all the 10% mitigation from bubble. He couldn't believe it.

    I think there is a preconceived notion that WHMs throughput is higher because they have Cure II and regen, but that is not the case. I think there is also a incorrect thought that WHMs burst heals are bigger, which is, again not the case. 3 x Lustrate, Aetherflow, 3 x Lustrate is a bigger, faster burst than anything other than maybe Cure II, swiftcast, Cure II.
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    Vespereaux Vaillantes
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    Exodus
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 91
    As a class, I like WHM as a healer more as I feel they have the potential to be better healers.
    However, as a tank I prefer to have a SCH as my healer just for the fact that the people playing them seem to be better at actually playing the role and not being an idiot.
    I swear, half the WHM healers I've had in a group have no clue how to be a healer. They either never heal and just sit back or spam heals and constantly draw agro. Then of course there are the ones that run ahead and pull things.
    As I've said in other threads, I'm thoroughly convinced that a lot of people play as WHM because they think it will be easy-mode and they will be able to get into groups quickly and then be able to sit back and half-ass their way through the dungeon or boss fight.
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    Last edited by TouchandFeel; 09-21-2013 at 11:01 AM.

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    Kal-El's Avatar
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    Kal El
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    Behemoth
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    I like them both especially in 8 man you've got the mitigation from SCH with the burst healing from WHM. The only time I have trouble with WHM threat is when they overheal when there are adds. I'll probably be at 90% HP and I'll get spam healed which gives a bit of trouble holding threat.

    But that's the player, not the job.
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    Nailkita's Avatar
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    Nailik Kittykins
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    Coeurl
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Lol, looks like this is the same argument of as the PAL vs WAR that us healers are having

    If you have a good player both are excellent choices, and a baddie is a baddie regardless. Having healed as both I agree with someone above who said that Scholars synergise well with warriors.

    I'm sorry so many of you have experienced WHM that don't know about overhealing = lotsa threat. I put that in big bold red letters in my WHM guide, hopefully more pick up on that soon.

    One note for tanks, give WHM a chance to throw stoneskin on you before you pull, it lets us have a breather before we start healing so we don't have to heal right away and pull threat, or if you see us castin git don't pull till after cause the buff will pull threat to us if it goes off after you've engaged the mobs.
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    Blazn's Avatar
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    Blazn Pyro
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    Midgardsormr
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Can only speak for warrior not paladins bit idc what healer I have hate wise neither should take hate away unless the tank slips up or the healer spams before I can generate any real aggro. But my preference is the skilled player both jobs heal just fine.
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    Player HiirNoivl's Avatar
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    Hiir Noivl
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    Mateus
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Feathery View Post
    There is a topic in the healer subforums about which tanking class we prefer. So I figured it would be interesting to flip the script. State your job/class and which healer you prefer SCH or WHM preferably a motivation on why sa well .
    I posted this on another thread but this works... As a WAR I prefer SCH...

    SCH, oh SCH, a healer as beastly as me
    The only healer than can match 20% more heals with 20% max HP....

    You're little fairy my guiding light
    That brings me to my Wrath five Bliss

    Your Sacred Soil, and Sheltering Succor,

    It just can't get better than this...

    In some future patch,
    I've met my true match.
    It won't be a lala I'll marry,
    It won't be a roe, or a male miquo
    I think I will marry a fairy.

    *bow*
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    Gunsa Cabalabob
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    It really depends, on certain places like cutter's cry and aurum vale WHM is better. While things like Titan sch is better. But I guess overall I prefer WHM cause they require less preparation time, if you get attacked and your scholar doesn't have it's fairy out yet you're boned might not be so much of an issue with a sch who has swift cast. But one thing I'll say for sch is I like adloquium.
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    Last edited by Cabalabob; 09-18-2013 at 11:27 PM.

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    Kaalan's Avatar
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    Kalaan Elista
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    Cerberus
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Why are we even discussing this since in every challenging content you will have 2 healer, and SCH+WHM is the best way to go anyway ?
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    Ashigaru Gladespliter
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    Gilgamesh
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    For me i prefer Scholars, i like their shields a lot, and i get a lot of whm that seem to think chaining medica is healing then when they get insane agro and run in big circles they wonder why they die.

    Scholars are the win for me.
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    Rhaze Cain
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    Behemoth
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Both WHM and SCH seem fine to me. Have done all the 4-man dungeons with both. Have not done a lot of HM primals or coil to comment in those situations.

    WHM does often have the higher agro. The worst ones I've seen were tough but not impossible to hold agro off of. (And by worst I'm thinking of some lvl 50 ones -- the really truly bad players were weeded out before).

    I'm playing a little 24 CNJ myself in Halatali and Toto-Rak the last couple days, so starting to see for myself the healer view of that as well. It's interesting.
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