Zero Job Customization in this Game

[xwxmeowxvvx]

I am really not digging the pigeon holing they have done to all the classes/jobs in the game so far. They have basically built the game to be "this job is this role. period".

You do no have the freedom to play anything unique or that brings in a challenge.
"WAR is tank." You don't have the option to play it as a DD even though it totally could be!

Bard really stumped me too, they have basically made it into a Ranger with hardly any party support skills. "Bards are DD and you cant play them as anything else."

Also, it seems a complete waste that they gave conjurer/white mage total attack damage but still expect you to just be a healer. It seems set up that you could DD with a WHM, but then it kinda cuts that out from under you.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or is the gaming community as a whole happy with "I'm going to make a PAL and they are best at tanking so that's all I want to do with it or see other ppl do with it." ????

[MorbidAngel]

There are going to be multiple job routes per class such as Scholar and Summoner are for Arcanist so you're just gonna have to wait for those to be released if you want diversity.

[xwxmeowxvvx]

There are going to be multiple job routes per class such as Scholar and Summoner are for Arcanist so you're just gonna have to wait for those to be released if you want diversity.

True, but what are they going to do off Archer now that they basically made BRD into a Ranger...... Also, if there were tons of classes/jobs to play then this would be fine, but they are not making every possible combination so it would still make sense to be able to customize your class/job more. Like have each one have two roles instead of just the one?

[WellFooled]

I think the job customization comes from choosing your job. If you want to play a DD, there are half a dozen options for you, why choose one of the tanking options if what you really want is to deal damage? The DPS abilities that tanks and healers have, like your example of WHM, are likely so that those roles can still solo effectively.

That said, in the future you'll likely be given an option a lot like arcanists have, where the class branches into different jobs. So perhaps GLD and CNJ will eventually have job options to become something other than a tank or healer. However that will just be more customization from choosing a job.

[GilbertLapine]

I think the job customization comes from choosing your job.

You're confusing job customization with job variety. Cross-skill 'customization' is a joke, unless, for instance, you're hell bent on using Ruin as a BLM for reasons unknown.

"WAR is tank." You don't have the option to play it as a DD even though it totally could be!

Bard really stumped me too, they have basically made it into a Ranger with hardly any party support skills. "Bards are DD and you cant play them as anything else."

Also, it seems a complete waste that they gave conjurer/white mage total attack damage but still expect you to just be a healer. It seems set up that you could DD with a WHM, but then it kinda cuts that out from under you.

I'm feeling this, but not quite in the same way. I think they've tried to keep the trinity system pretty set for the casuals (lest you get a giant population of players that can do everything but suck constantly). It makes sense they'd want certain jobs to be defined as certain roles, but what rubs me wrong is how the nature which they fulfill that roll is overly rigid.

However, I think a case could be made for some multi-faceted jobs like say, SMN, that could function as either a DPS or a tank if given the choice. That said, they should really make you decide what route you want to take, and the only paltry efforts made towards skill and stat trees are the extra stat allocations from your base class... which is probably the dumbest idea SE has had thus far. Let us craft our jobs to how we want them to be, don't exclude us from playing jobs because stats are tied to our base class. This very idea goes against the whole point of the armory system, and is rather disappointing.

[WellFooled]

You're confusing job customization with job variety. Cross-skill 'customization' is a joke, unless, for instance, you're hell bent on using Ruin as a BLM for reasons unknown.

My choice of words wasn't the best. What I'm saying is that you don't need job customization because we have job variety. At least not the sort of job customization that is suggested in this thread. If someone is saying they want to play as a warrior who's main job is to deal damage, what they're saying is they want to be a lancer. The option is already there.

[Flarestar]

In a game that revolves entirely around vertical progression, simplistic AI, and trinity roles, customization brings precisely two things to the table: min-maxing with the elitism that goes along with it, and what I like to refer to as Special Snowflake builds.

The former makes the community even more toxic than MMO communities usually are already, and necessitates extremely tight tuning in order to prevent min-max builds from trivializing content, further reinforcing the social need to min-max with a code-based need to min-max. The latter basically just makes people useless and annoys people from having to carry them through content.

If you want deep customization that doesn't cause those problems, the first two have to go or be minimal factors in design. The third doesn't HAVE to go but it certainly helps.

[GilbertLapine]

My choice of words wasn't the best. What I'm saying is that you don't need job customization because we have job variety. At least not the sort of job customization that is suggested in this thread. If someone is saying they want to play as a warrior who's main job is to deal damage, what they're saying is they want to be a lancer. The option is already there.

Subjective. Some people want their DD to use an axe.

The diversity you get in other MMOs from talent trees etc. is the same diversity you get from being able to level all classes on your character

Not enough special snowflake for some. I'm pretty sold on BLM as it currently exists, so this isn't a concern for me, but I sympathize with those whose don't feel their needs are being met by the current system.

[Ryuni]

Subjective. Some people want their DD to use an axe.



Not enough special snowflake for some. I'm pretty sold on BLM as it currently exists, so this isn't a concern for me, but I sympathize with those whose don't feel their needs are being met by the current system.

I'm pretty sure if you grow some patience you will start seeing more variety in weapons and jobs in FFXIV, the game is young and they're most likely working and planning on multiple new jobs as we speak. Maybe in the future you will be able to make a Beastmaster that wields an axe.

I truly wish they would include some kind of support classes or hybrid jobs. We all know you can simply switch weapons to rotate between dps/tank/healer but there is something unique and fun about a class that IS a hybrid class or a pure support class.

I would love to see bards go back to being FFXI bards. I would love to see a melee class that could DPS and ALSO be a valid offtank. I would love to see a magic class that could DPS and ALSO be a valid offhealer or support class.

We can hope that they will implement Red Mage then
And maybe Dark Knights will be a hybrid between tank and DD.

[Sparthos]

This game revolves around a trinity so DPS WHM or fulltime DD PLD isn't going to work. WAR already does some decent damage. WHM can throw out some DMG if it wants to along with SCH.

Bard is the XI Ranger in this game since there will be no fulltime support classes which means that Ranger could either appear as a pet class or become Beastmaster sometime in the future.