Monks very weak. Need rebalance

[neoreturn]

I just don't want hear you say MNK is DPS king or some word similar.
MNK is not even close to the DPS king. For AOE, every know Blm is the king.
For burst Dmg, Blm and DRG are all much higher than MNK. For a 5 min dummy single target, DRG isn't behind MNK.
MNK just a ok DPS without bringing much to team for pve and will get owned for pvp if there was no big change happened.

[NoctisUmbra]

I just don't want hear you say MNK is DPS king or some word similar.
MNK is not even close to the DPS king. For AOE, every know Blm is the king.
For burst Dmg, Blm and DRG are all much higher than MNK. For a 5 min dummy single target, DRG isn't behind MNK.
MNK just a ok DPS without bringing much to team for pve and will get owned for pvp if there was no big change happened.

MNK is best single target DPS. You see how you say BLM is the king for AoE. Yeah, MNK is the king for single target. That's how it is. If you say otherwise, you clearly don't know the job. I've played with the best of every job and have participated in extensive DPS testing for all of them.

For burst DPS, DRG starts out higher with it's cooldowns... perhaps. However, for any fight that will last longer than like 30 seconds, MNK will pass a DRG. Heck, if we're talking about both of them having all of their cooldowns, people severely underestimate Perfect Balance. Give MNK ID and it can have incredible burst DPS when it needs to as well.

For a 5 minute dummy single target DRG is nowhere near MNK. Nothing can beat an equivalently geared MNK on a dummy. Nothing. Unless you're going to be dumb and keep hitting the dummy after you run out of TP on MNK just to get to a 5 minute parse and suggest that is an accurate measure of their DPS... lol. BLM from what I can tell gets the closest to MNK DPS on a dummy parse. DRG isn't even close.

That you would even say that MNK is just an "OK DPS" speaks volumes about how little you know.



Not even using ID or Fracture in that parse.

[Allyrion]

For a 5 minute dummy single target DRG is nowhere near MNK. Nothing can beat an equivalently geared MNK on a dummy. Nothing. Unless you're going to be dumb and keep hitting the dummy after you run out of TP on MNK just to get to a 5 minute parse and suggest that is an accurate measure of their DPS... lol. BLM from what I can tell gets the closest to MNK DPS on a dummy parse. DRG isn't even close.

Summoners may or may not be better than us.
My impression is they are pretty close in single target to monks if not better. It's just very hard to find good ones.
I'd like to see where they stand.

[NoctisUmbra]

Summoners may or may not be better than us.
My impression is they are pretty close in single target to monks if not better. It's just very hard to find good ones.
I'd like to see where they stand.

Yeah... I typically try to avoid talking about SMN just because I never got to personally test the job thoroughly, what with its DPS being heavily based on DoTs, etc. That being said, SMN is definitely capable of very good DPS and I wouldn't be surprised if it rivaled MNK in the hands of a capable player.

[Syrus718]

Anyone who doubts A monks true DPS is either repeating what the first idiot who couldn't play monk said or just trolling. its rare that I get out DPS by any class on a single target as a monk even if I'm late to the party I still out Aggro so many on a regular basis and just watch health bars deplete

[Rhained]

Anyone who doubts A monks true DPS is either repeating what the first idiot who couldn't play monk said or just trolling. its rare that I get out DPS by any class on a single target as a monk even if I'm late to the party I still out Aggro so many on a regular basis and just watch health bars deplete

Did this guy just base damage on aggro bar?

You realise the majority of the other classes have access to -enmity skill right? If you aint 2nd to tank or 3rd to two tanks you are absolutely terrible. Either way it dosnt accurately measure dps against party members.

Not that im saying monk is weak or too strong, i havnt put enough effort to actually calculate it, it seems like its around the same damage as a similarly geared blm but thats likely because monks have to move more and losing greased drops our damage by a large ammount, we outdamage everyone on fights against a single target where movement is minimal.

You can argue monk suffers harder from boss mechanics than most classes, it all depends on if it balances up at the end.

[neoreturn]

Did this guy just base damage on aggro bar?

You realise the majority of the other classes have access to -enmity skill right? If you aint 2nd to tank or 3rd to two tanks you are absolutely terrible. Either way it dosnt accurately measure dps against party members.

Not that im saying monk is weak or too strong, i havnt put enough effort to actually calculate it, it seems like its around the same damage as a ...

You can argue monk suffers harder from boss mechanics than most classes, it all depends on if it balances up at the end.

Yeah I agree. Boss mechanics is big problem. These MNK never seen the strength of other job. reason is simple.
1. Most group only invite a melee and they hard to see DRG performance.
2. MNK is easy to gear up. You have better gear than others
3. Some job assigned other task, such ballad, silence, aoe on adds.

[Syrus718]

No I Do Not consider DPS to Be Based Off Aggro My point was when it comes DPS On A single target It's Hard To out Do a Monk who knows how To Use the job properly, I also only lose GL stacks during Primal Fights. Alot of the complaints I Hear about classes I just see but you probably can chalk that up to not spending months on othe classes day in day out

[Blooregard]

Yeah... I typically try to avoid talking about SMN just because I never got to personally test the job thoroughly, what with its DPS being heavily based on DoTs, etc. That being said, SMN is definitely capable of very good DPS and I wouldn't be surprised if it rivaled MNK in the hands of a capable player.

Isn't it kind of...completely f***ed if SMN can match our single target while decimating our AoE, having battle res, being able to offheal and being ranged with quick casts to boot?

That doesn't...sound very balanced. I could be missing something, which is why I'm asking you all as more experienced monks than I(only cleared Turn 2 so far and a lot of the dudes in this topic seem much further along.)

[pandabearcat]

Isn't it kind of...completely f***ed if SMN can match our single target while decimating our AoE, having battle res, being able to offheal and being ranged with quick casts to boot?

That doesn't...sound very balanced. I could be missing something, which is why I'm asking you all as more experienced monks than I(only cleared Turn 2 so far and a lot of the dudes in this topic seem much further along.)

Well, single target or not, because the vast majority of fights have at least 2 targets, SMN wins hands down because of cleave dotting.

Sadface!

Also monk AoE is not horrific like you say, and summoner aoe is pretty incredibly hindered at more than 4 targets (turn 4 bugs anyone? >.>) it is pretty awful.