Monks very weak. Need rebalance

[Allyrion]

World first kill in t5 has a MNK doesn't mean MNK is neccessary. MNK can be replaced by a DRG. But bard and Blm can't be replaced by a MNK.
'King' means your DPS is way above others but like you said you just 'very often' and for single dps only. if you look total dmg in turn, you will way behind blm. That 's not enough as king. DRG DPS is pair with MNK. So MNK basically is nothing but a melee DPS and can be replaced by other job.

Who said monk was necessary?
You don't need a BLM for Coil, it is preferred to have at least one. The only thing a group should definitely have is coil.
Your complaint is illogical since we can't all be necessary. Why? There are four dps spots and 5 dps classes.

Monks are top dps for 3 of 4 turns (not counting 3, which you can just through). It doesn't matter if AoE bloats the damage numbers for BLM, the monk was still the highest dps more times than he's not. Once you get through the turns, that's all that matters.
That means that monks are in a good place.

We are king single target (which is most of the endgame!), but we're not blowing the other classes out of the water.
That only means SE's balance isn't complete trash. And we won't have to face nerfs next patch.
So really, what's your point?

[NoctisUmbra]

World first kill in t5 has a MNK doesn't mean MNK is neccessary. MNK can be replaced by a DRG. But bard and Blm can't be replaced by a MNK.
'King' means your DPS is way above others but like you said you just 'very often' and for single dps only. if you look total dmg in turn, you will way behind blm. That 's not enough as king. DRG DPS is pair with MNK. So MNK basically is nothing but a melee DPS and can be replaced by other job.

Yup. You're pretty much clueless.

I say very often, because we're all human and mistakes can happen. If every job is equivalently geared and plays perfectly, MNK will top DPS in most content. May even be all content in game right now, but I'm sure a few very melee unfriendly fights exist.

MNK can be replaced by a DRG? Are you kidding me? If you can't consistently beat an equivalently geared DRG in DPS for any fight longer than like 30 seconds you fail as a MNK.

BLM has better single target than DRG even lol.

I've said it many times and I'll say it again. Unless 2.1 does the proper buffs for DRG, it will forever remain as BRD support. Got a team with 3 BRDs? Sure, grab a DRG to increase their DPS. Otherwise, the best thing a DRG can do is equip a pair of Sphairai +1.

[Soukyuu]

I think this point is important:

We are king single target (which is most of the endgame!), but we're not blowing the other classes out of the water.
That only means SE's balance isn't complete trash. And we won't have to face nerfs next patch.

As things stand now, only classes actually necessary for coil are tanks and, unsurprisingly, healers. Rest can be mixed and matched as we want to. BRD being a bit on the heavy side is getting fixed by SE and the rest is fine.

People just have to actually sit down and think about their skill rotations and how exactly Monk damage works. The most important things to keep in mind is, as mentioned multiple times already, that SE balanced GL3 with it dropping in mind. Also, that 2x160 is better than 1x300 in the same timeframe. If you're a fan of big numbers on screen, monk is not for you. If you like fast sustained damage, Monk is the way to go.

I do count myself as a decent monk, but I'm still figuring out new things to optimize my damage. The rotations are ever-changing depending on the situation. Monster HP is low? Snap punch, reapplying DoTs is meaningless. Monster turned? Switch to side/rear combo. Execute your skills before GCD is completely up. Etc.

There is so much things to keep in mind and that's what making the class fun for me, and being able to do so actually rewarding.

[Leon_Stormrage]

Why all the clases compare with bards anda hate us?
I know... you feel envy for the good looking bard AF2¡ (mehh)
XD

[CheshirePuss]

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It just seems like you're over compensating an idea of what you had imagined the class to be. It's all about stacking skills and dots, always. At the moment I'm done with my DL, have my relic weapon, and am currently saving for my Melee set for my Monk. I cap my crits to about 504 at its highest, somewhere around 224 for the lowest strike damage when in the proper positioning. At the moment, more so than before, I'm actually trying to avoid taking aggro from the tank when in a dungeon run, even after waiting the usual 3-4 seconds (so the tank can stack aggro) before starting my flurry of hits.

Replying to your first original post. Had to chop it due to the character limit.

Added - If I truly were to complain about anything, it'd be that I can not hit an enemy at all while they move around. I'm envious of bards and casters that aren't so handicapped by that issue.

[Soukyuu]

Why all the clases compare with bards anda hate us?
I know... you feel envy for the good looking bard AF2¡ (mehh)
XD

I don't really hate BRD. I think the constant comparisons are because BRD currently has good damage and a good utility set. Being ranged and not relying on positioning also makes it easier to play. So people prefer to take them over other classes because chances are an inexperienced bard will suck less than a comparable inexperienced monk. Which is also the reason why you don't see people shouting for monks most of the time, it doesn't mean monk is bad though.

[YarozeX]

I just hate loosing my GL Stacks..... Primals sucks for this.

[CheshirePuss]

I just hate loosing my GL Stacks..... Primals sucks for this.

Speed runs I hate more than primal runs when it comes to losing stacks. "You killed 2 enemies and are working on the 3rd? Let me just run down the long hallway to another mob before you can attack again". >_>;

[NoctisUmbra]

I just hate loosing my GL Stacks..... Primals sucks for this.

The only one that's really challenging is Garuda because of the way her moves work and all the movement associated with her fight.

MNKs utterly destroy Ifrit and can also top DPS on Titan even with the repeated GL3 loss.

[Sterob]

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