Monks very weak. Need rebalance

[Aleph_One]

MNK real need some good aoe skill. MNK aoe skill not only drains too much TP but also do too less Dmg.
MNK total DPS is never close to a good BLM in Turn4. Two flare in sec need monk 1 min DPS to catch up.
Good Blm and bad Blm has 50% total DPS difference from my parser log. That's why we never seen lf MNK for WP but LF BLM and BRD all the times.

This is more because people don't know that MNK AoE is fine. They've probably only been in runs with players who didn't know their class. As others have mentioned, pop BfB->PB and then go to town. If you're low on TP in a crucial situation, use Invigorate.

[Reyki]

or not ; blm still has more single target and aoe damage than us and good brd have also has more singletarget dps than us .....

[NoctisUmbra]

or not ; blm still has more single target and aoe damage than us and good brd have also has more singletarget dps than us .....

Get your facts straight. What concerns me more is that you appear to be a MNK main, too.

BRD is the lowest single target DPS I believe. That is unless DRG is. One of the two. BRD is typically desired for AoE, songs and/or being a ranged class. BRD also happens to be the easiest job to play at 90%+ optimal performance. Grab a random BRD, check their gear and you more or less know what kind of DPS you're getting because it is actually difficult to play bad as a BRD lol.

MNK as a job is clear single-target DPS king, and by quite a margin in fact. However, there are far fewer players able to harness this optimal play on MNK, which leads to a nasty rumor and/or misguided thought that MNKs suck lol.

[Reyki]

have u ever been on conditions that allow u to focus on bossess and stay still without moving and losing ur gl3 ? no ... perhaps u can outdps brds on dummy and on paper ,but not in real conditions ......also , make test with equivalent gear on all classes and u'll see ...

so , no , ull never be the king on singletargets dps in dungeons , and that untill the 2.1 ...

the only fact is that our class need to be twicked a bit , but not that much too ...that to be the best singletarget DD.

gl duration is fine , gl loss no , Perfect balance and Shoulder tacke CD need to be reduced and invigorate needs also to bring us more PT over time to allow us to dps in perfect conditions on long fights ( turn 4 and more in turn 5)

So don't tell that our class is perfect as it is because it's untrue ...

If SE will increase melee damage in 2.1 , it's not for nothing.

[NoctisUmbra]

have u ever been on conditions that allow u to focus on bossess and stay still without moving and losing ur gl3 ? no ... perhaps u can outdps brds on dummy and on paper ,but not in real conditions ......also , make test with equivalent gear on all classes and u'll see ...

so , no , ull never be the king on singletargets dps in dungeons , and that untill the 2.1 ...

the only fact is that our class need to be twicked a bit , but not that much too ...that to be the best singletarget DD.

gl duration is fine , gl loss no , Perfect balance and Shoulder tacke CD need to be reduced and invigorate needs also to bring us more PT over time to allow us to dps in perfect conditions on long fights ( turn 4 and more in turn 5)

So don't tell that our class is perfect as it is because it's untrue ...

If SE will increase melee damage in 2.1 , it's not for nothing.

All I can say is you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm not basing anything off of dummy parses. It is far too easy to outparse other jobs on a dummy. Training dummies are good for testing a DPS ceiling. However, MNK is designed with such amazing DPS at GL3 because it is expected to lose the buff due to mechanics in content.

People keep complaining about GL loss and blaming it for their performance not measuring up, or they simply can't parse worth a damn. I don't know why. What I do know is, even with a reasonable amount of GL3 loss, MNK is top. The reason is, you only need to know your optimal rotation and maximize your GL3 uptime. That's it.

I go as MNK to both Turn 4 and Turn 5. I have regularly topped parses in turn 5 with very capable and equivalently geared BLMs and BRDs in party. Heck, even with a BLM using level 3 LB on all 5 snakes in Turn 5 I was higher, though barely (no LBs myself). Of course, you can elect not to take my word on it and chock it up as personal experience. However, no. You are wrong.

Our job is not perfect. No job is. However our job is indeed balanced. This should be good news to you, because unlike actual weak jobs that need buffs like WAR and DRG, MNK as a job is fine so all you have to do is figure out how to perform better if you are somehow not putting out dps competitive with your BLM and especially BRD buddies lol.

Also, again - get your facts straight. SE is not increasing melee damage in 2.1. They are tweaking content so that melee DPS jobs are not as punished. Basically, they are making it easier for more people to manage to keep their buffs and stay on the enemies longer when on melee jobs because - no surprise - a lot of people on melee jobs suck at it.


tl;dr: MNK is a high risk - high reward type job that has an incredibly high DPS ceiling, and as such is designed so that it is incapable of maintaining it in competitive content. If you mess up, you do horrible DPS. If you play well, you do amazing DPS. You clearly don't know the job very well if you mean to suggest we should be able to stay in GL3 all the time lol...

[Rochetm]

tl;dr: MNK is a high risk - high reward type job that has an incredibly high DPS ceiling, and as such is designed so that it is incapable of maintaining it in competitive content. If you mess up, you do horrible DPS. If you play well, you do amazing DPS. You clearly don't know the job very well if you mean to suggest we should be able to stay in GL3 all the time lol...

What he said lol...

I sometimes drop GL just to reduce my threat. Sure we have lots of stuff that is broken, stupid or just not very good but we are in a very good spot IF you pay attention. Mnk was designed much like War and Smn. Play your job well and you will be great. Play it poorly and you will be the worst dps in the group.

[Mister-Wonderful]

tl;dr: MNK is a high risk - high reward type job that has an incredibly high DPS ceiling, and as such is designed so that it is incapable of maintaining it in competitive content. If you mess up, you do horrible DPS. If you play well, you do amazing DPS. You clearly don't know the job very well if you mean to suggest we should be able to stay in GL3 all the time lol...

This /10char

[Rochetm]

have u ever been on conditions that allow u to focus on bossess and stay still without moving and losing ur gl3 ? no ... perhaps u can outdps brds on dummy and on paper ,but not in real conditions... also , make test with equivalent gear on all classes and u'll see...

I never lose GL on WP/AK bosses, Chimera, Hydra, Turn 1 and Turn 2. Unlike bards I never have to nerf my damage just to feed heals/melee resources.

This is more because people don't know that MNK AoE is fine. They've probably only been in runs with players who didn't know their class. As others have mentioned, pop BfB->PB and then go to town. If you're low on TP in a crucial situation, use Invigorate.

Stack GL to 3, IR > BfB > howling fist > PB > rockbreaker like mad. Unless you have a good tank you will be tanking doing that. Monk AoE is very good while cooldowns are up, and it isn't bad when they aren't.

[Teeko]

Any monk that is good is capable of as much uptime on a boss as possible, refreshing GL in time anticipating a fight mechanic, applying dots knowing that they will have to dodge, using shoulder tackle to get back into the fight, etc.

They are really very strong in the right hands.

[Soukyuu]

have u ever been on conditions that allow u to focus on bossess and stay still without moving and losing ur gl3 ? no ... perhaps u can outdps brds on dummy and on paper ,but not in real conditions ......also , make test with equivalent gear on all classes and u'll see ...

Tonberry King. With restrictions, Anantabooga (let the ranged dps pick adds). About the only time I lose against a BRD or a BLM single target is when they have better gear - I'm DL/+1 while they have partial AF1.5/+1