Monks very weak. Need rebalance

[Onyxys]

This thread is for those, who wants to make monk better and stronger by changing some skills. If you say "monk is fine and no need to be changed" you can leave this thread and never come back

[Aleph_One]

This thread is for those, who wants to make monk better and stronger by changing some skills. If you say "monk is fine and no need to be changed" you can leave this thread and never come back

Sorry, but you don't just get to silence other people on these forums. They are free to share their opinions and experiences just as you are. If you want a place where you can have complete control over information, go make your own forum. This is a place for everyone to share their thoughts, whether you like them or not.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

Sorry, but you don't just get to silence other people on these forums. They are free to share their opinions and experiences just as you are. If you want a place where you can have complete control over information, go make your own forum. This is a place for everyone to share their thoughts, whether you like them or not.

Silence fool! THE OP's opinion is always the right opinion! Anyone who disagrees should stay off the post!

[neoreturn]

Cynric, when you say MNK can solo silence ADS. You need give evidence. MNK can't solo silence ADS boss in T2. When you say MNK has decent aoe, you need know what you talking about. MNK can aoe but that's not 'decent'. MNK single target DPS isn't bad for a long run. Again MNK can't bring much value to team, MNK is the hardest dps job to find group. Do you see any group shout for lf a mnk? War definitely is worest overall at moment. Back to 2 month ago, some uber war argue their job design isn't bad and they tank such such in coil. We are talking about an overall feeling not individual who can do an unbelievable job.

[NoctisUmbra]

Cynric, when you say MNK can solo silence ADS. You need give evidence. MNK can't solo silence ADS boss in T2. When you say MNK has decent aoe, you need know what you talking about. MNK can aoe but that's not 'decent'. MNK single target DPS isn't bad for a long run. Again MNK can't bring much value to team, MNK is the hardest dps job to find group. Do you see any group shout for lf a mnk? War definitely is worest overall at moment. Back to 2 month ago, some uber war argue their job design isn't bad and they tank such such in coil.

MNKs may have trouble finding groups in PUGs because PUGs tend to be filled with dimwits who can't even clear content and wouldn't know good dps if it hit them in the face. Not all PUGs, don't get me wrong... but we are talking about pick ups here so you're gonna get a lot of bad with some good.

Looking at PUGs is not a good way to judge a job's effectiveness. Already went through this. Too many people suck with MNK because they don't have enough execution to maintain their GL3 stacks, dots, buffs, etc. However, effective endgame companies will almost entirely acknowledge the ability of MNK as a job.

You can, in fact, solo interrupt ADS with it. It is a very ineffective use of MNK, but quite possible because Arm of the Destroyer, MNK's Silence skill, is on GCD and furthermore it is an Opo-Opo stance skill and therefore always available every ~2s (under GL3 ). Some companies actually ran with that method on ADS first before switching to BRDs/PLDs.

MNK has decent AoE. Its not great, but don't even try to underestimate Rockbreaker. You hit 2 targets with Rockbreaker and your total damage is already greater than what Snap Punch would have done on a single target. Furthermore Rockbreaker hits many targets in a conal AoE situation. Have you run Coil Turn 4 on MNK? I have. I used Rockbreaker. MNK has decent AoE.

A good MNK will bring top DPS to a team. They will also bring Mantra. You point a good MNK player at a target, and you can expect it to die incredibly fast.

Why don't people shout for MNKs? Because that is a very quick way to have a shitty MNK join your party. There are a lot of bad MNK players, because they job isn't as easy to play as BRD, which is the most popular. People don't shout for BRDs because it's a better performing job. People shout for BRDs because it is the easiest and safest DPS job and they have a greater chance of getting someone with decent performance. Shouting for a random MNK means you can get someone with amazing DPS, but you can also get someone who just outright does horrible damage. I have done PUG runs of Prae on MNK with other MNKs in party and there have been times i parsed more than double the damage of another MNK.

Do NOT make the mistake of confusing popularity for what is good and what is bad. If you're going to look at popularity, do NOT make the mistake of looking only at PUGs and shouts, and actually research what the top FCs are doing at endgame. BG just cleared Twintania a couple of days ago. They have a MNK in their party.

[Onyxys]

Why don't people shout for MNKs? Because that is a very quick way to have a shitty MNK join your party. There are a lot of bad MNK players, because they job isn't as easy to play as BRD, which is the most popular. People don't shout for BRDs because it's a better performing job. People shout for BRDs because it is the easiest and safest DPS job and they have a greater chance of getting someone with decent performance.

This is not a reason- every random player can be shity if found in Mordhona or elsewhere- this is not a class problem. But in spite of this we almost never see "lfg monk". We see (at all) "lfg dragoon", but not monk. Repeat- every random player can be shity player, but in spite of this monk is never in a search by raid

[Myrin]

You can, in fact, solo interrupt ADS with it. It is a very ineffective use of MNK, but quite possible because Arm of the Destroyer, MNK's Silence skill, is on GCD and furthermore it is an Opo-Opo stance skill and therefore always available every ~2s (under GL3 ). Some companies actually ran with that method on ADS first before switching to BRDs/PLDs.

I wouldn't say inneffective, but less effective.

Yes you can't use full rotation if you're in silence duty. But in my case I perform well enough to not wait to place AoD and still do nearly full rotations. Nearly beacause what I don't do is refresh DoT on time, but the adds are down quickly enough so that it's not a real problem.

For T2 Boss, I can -nearly- fully silence it, but I can't use ToD or fracture. And nearly because sometimes the boss skill rotation shift the cast of high voltage (?) and I need backup from a BRD or PAL, but it happen 1 or 2 times during the fight.

[Soukyuu]

You mean to make it ace of all trades so it becomes the "only viable option(tm)" for melee dps. This won't happen.

[Onyxys]

My summory
1) Increase duration of GS up to 20+ seconds or make fading of each stack 1by1 but not all stacks
2) Increase duration of TwSn buff up to 15+ seconds
3) DEcrease duration of Perfect Balance CD till 60- seconds
4) DEcrease duration of Shoulder Tackle CD till 60- seconds
5) REmove AotD out from rotation and increase CD up to 25-30 seconds
6) DEcrease duration of Howling Fist CD till 5-7 seconds and decrease damage till 130-140
7) Greatly change skill ONE IIm punch because it is a fully USELESS skill

[Reyki]

i think it's better to make a new post in genral discussion with all of our suggestion like the blm post