OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

[Mazdryk1]

Really? Really? My AOE "Succor" heals for a whopping 161 and the lowest hp in the group is 1600 (level 42). This is total crap. It needs to have no shield and have a potency of 600 like WHM or give out fairy another AOE spell.

[Alu79]

I'll just leave this here..

Succor doesn't need a potency buff, but rather a mechanical change. Succor could remain at its current 150 potency heal/shield and work fine if they did something like the next Succor cast on a target that is shielded (from a succor spell) to consume the shield and add the shield value to the new succor's healing that is being cast. In other words say I cast succor and it heals for 200 and shields for 200, casting another succor on a target that has a succor shield up consumes the shield and adds that 200 point shield to the new succors healing to make it look like 200h/200s -> 400h/200s. That would give us the AoE heal we so desperately need while remain unique and different from a WHM.

[Zozorozo]

If you had the same heal power of a WHM (who doesn't have a magical unicorn doing extra heals) then why would anyone ever play a WHM?

[Alu79]

If you had the same heal power of a WHM (who doesn't have a magical unicorn doing extra heals) then why would anyone ever play a WHM?

Same reason they play one now, superior selection of heal spells. Whm have an answer to every situation, SCH don't and that needs to be fixed.

Also, if whm's only play whm's cause they are op/not broken then that is all the more reason to fix sch and bring them up to whm lvl of effectiveness.

[Zozorozo]

So, let me just try to wrap my head around this.

A WHM, who has a superior book of healing spells has that superior book of healing spells because we have enough offensive capability to kill a Sheep, is OP because we excel at exactly one thing: Healing. If we try to do anything more than /ac Aero <tt> we probably just lost our tank.

vs

A SCH who even though you are a healer, you have the ability to put out a metric ton more DPS than we can, all the while you are still healing because your pet is throwing out heals or you are controlling your pet to throw out heals.


I'm sorry, again, what needs balancing here?

[fanservice]

So, let me just try to wrap my head around this.

A WHM, who has a superior book of healing spells has that superior book of healing spells because we have enough offensive capability to kill a Sheep, is OP because we excel at exactly one thing: Healing. If we try to do anything more than /ac Aero <tt> we probably just lost our tank.

vs

A SCH who even though you are a healer, you have the ability to put out a metric ton more DPS than we can, all the while you are still healing because your pet is throwing out heals or you are controlling your pet to throw out heals.


I'm sorry, again, what needs balancing here?

This is really the shittiest grounds for a counterargument I've seen in a while.

I don't know who you're trying to refute, or who even brought up the ability of a healer to kill anything. What you just did is an example of attacking a strawman.

Nothing you presented as a counterargument has anything to do with what anyone said here so far.

Yeah, let's throw the amount of damage a healer can do around in order to balance healing...

If you had the same heal power of a WHM (who doesn't have a magical unicorn doing extra heals) then why would anyone ever play a WHM?

Just because one ability gets buffed doesn't mean WHM's will be replaced. Calm down. I will admit this though; OP is crazy for asking that much.

It needs to have no shield and have a potency of 600 like WHM

A decent AOE heal would be welcome, but WHMs do not have this. You do know you're asking for something with twice the potency of medica, right?

[Crescent_Dusk]

I love how a whm is saying scholars outdamage whm. It tells me they've yet to discover Holy AoE in cleric stance.

[Alu79]

I love how a whm is saying scholars outdamage whm. It tells me they've yet to discover Holy AoE in cleric stance.

I don't understand how this became about dmg. And anyway, whm are far more bursty dmg dealers than sch, in fact I think my whm kills way faster than my sch..

Anyway back on topic, Succor is fine as a precast aoe shield, but it simply doesn't fill the role of an aoe heal once dmg has been dealt so something needs to happen.

[Alpheus]

I'm surprised they didn't keep the relationship that SCH and WHM had from FFXI which was while both had access up to cure IV WHMs had CuragasI-IV (Medicas) and access to Cure V (static enmity and capable of healing large amounts w/o having optimal builds) and Cure VI. SCH had superior Regen and specialized in heal over time and the capability to manipulate a spell's recast MP cost and whether it was single target or AoE in addition to increasing the duration of buffs. I'm mainly surprised since Arcanist specializes in DoTs you'd think the healer variant would be based on HoTs.

I recommend using the guy's idea of having it eat the shield to boost cure amount or give it a innate chance to crit (although that might give way to huge enmity spikes) via trait. I just hope they add "Enhances X ability/Action" gear with decent stats I'm surprised AF is so plain w/ their stats.

[Animation]

I don't know why people complain about it.

You have a 200HP heal and a 200HP shield that's the some potency as Medica1. It has more utility and draws less enmity than White Mage's Medica. If we run into the fray and cast a Medica your best bet we will aggro something, even if it has 0 enmity on us.
Plus you have your fairy, I've seen that thing heal 700Hp. So let's do some maths if I'm almost dead, one heal from the Scholar and then the fairy is close to 1.3k HP heal, then add in the Succor and it adds 200HP and a 200shield. that's 1.9k HP in 4s.

Now look at White Mage, we have Cure which heals like 900HP give or take. the Medica which heals 450 - 600. Your Fairy makes your succor worth it. I'm yet to see a Scholar go below 50% mana in a boss fight, that's with raising people, I raise one person and I've just hindered myself for the rest of the fight unless I pop SoS. I'm just confused on why you want it buffed, I hardly ever see White Mages as it is, I have been denied a spot in a healing role because they rather a Scholar for the fairy, lol.
Out of both the class White Mage needs a slight tune to be up to par with Scholar.