Loose use of the term "eliteist"

[Ruprect]

Hey if the adds die before popping up in the middle to gib people, I don't really care, lol. Despite my, what some may call an elitist view, I am incredibly lax and don't get anywhere near as worked up as some people. If we wipe a few times, it is okay as long as we are making progress and learning. If we wipe a dozen times, and the same person is dying to the same mechanic every time, then my face starts to twitch a bit (Sheldon style).

As I said, it was one person with 3 other people in full Darklight gear, so the fight was getting done, but I'm not sure the DPS requirement would be reached if all 4 dps were in AF1 and Ifrit weapons, although I haven't tried it myself, so I could be wrong. :P

In our run last night in my FC we are slightly better geared than just AF1 but we did it without a problem. I was even using a lvl 45 vendor book for the fist run through, and my book dropped first run lol. But like i edited above running in a PuG you probably want to be a little overgeared if anything.

[Jynxii]

In our run last night in my FC we are slightly better geared than just AF1 but we did it without a problem. I was even using a lvl 45 vendor book for the fist run through, and my book dropped first run lol. But like i edited above running in a PuG you probably want to be a little overgeared if anything.

Ah yes the joy of having an organised, coordinated group.

I remember doing some crazy stuff back in my WoW days with friends/guildies that you simply wouldn't be able to pull off with a PuG, even an over geared one...

Grats on getting your book; I got mine too after 4 DRG spears in a row ><

[Ryios]

Personally, I don't see how being called an elitist is an insult. If anything it's a compliment. I strive to be the best I possibly can be, regardless of what I am doing. It's such actions that lead to success in life or a game. Success of having a college degree, a career, my own house, cars I own, relationships I've been in, etc etc etc. Just as it will be the success shown of acquiring my relic, darklight gear, level 50 crafts, and w/e else I set my sights on.

However I consider myself to be a tolerant elitist. While I have zero tolerance for players who are to casual to put an effort in on content past 1 wipe, I will help people who utterly fail at something succeed if they will let me help them. As such I except criticism when I am indeed wrong and teaching the wrong thing and I learn from that. I pugged Garuda with DF, watched the dps wipe for 90 minutes and I did it again and again until I got a group I could teach and we cleared it. I am not the rage out kind of elitist, I won't yell at people, curse at them, or say mean things. I try to provide positive feedback at all times.

How is wanting to play this game and not fail at it a bad thing? That's all eltism really is. I want to progress and clear content and acquire things, that's why I play and that's what's fun to me. As such I don't really appreciate people wasting my time, like failing on Odin because theres 200+ level 30's there and we can't see Odin to hit him...

The root problem to me is that most elitists give elitists bad names. Not all of us are bad plagues to the game. Some of us contribute to try to help.

Sad reality is, some of us elitists, sign your checks in RL. I'm not saying that to be 100% true, but eltists make the world go round. It's a click of society that exists just as much in RL as they do in games. But in a video game you can stand your ground, in real life they run you over (government, doctors, dentists, etc anyone on a high pedestal with a super ego). Some people are eltist pricks in games because they can be, and maybe they can't be in RL and maybe in RL an eltist prick rules them (a bad boss at work, the government, etc). People play video games for all kinds of different reasons. For some the psychological effects of a video game are healing, even if it causes them to be toxic to the game. For others the video game itself is toxic and driving them into addiction.

[AxeIvy]

Nice flamebait there but I won't even give you the satisfaction to get worked up about it.
The question is, why are you so obsessed about how other people play the game?
Surely you must have a dedicated group of like-minded fellows with whom you are hard at work at clearing the Coil of Bahamut.
But no, instead you're here on the forums, spending your valuable time on verbal PvP.
If you're posing as an elitist, at least make sure that you belong to the elite.

[Jynxii]

How is wanting to play this game and not fail at it a bad thing?

Some players get upset about this though. You want to succeed, so you are a bad person IF you are unable to succeed with them riding your coat tails.

This is what I couldn't quite get. The fact that it didn't seem to be whether the player was under geared, or how the 'elitist' spoke to them, but the simple fact that the 'elitists' wanted to succeed and were unable to do so with them along in their 'less prepared' state, which in turn lead to the 'elitist' mentioning it to them. This person didn't even have to be an elitist, but just wanted to clear the content (and put in the time to adequately prepare in order to do so), and instantly becomes labelled as one and then demonized for it.

Doesn't it make sense for people to want to succeed? I think the problem is people want to succeed without 'earning' it, and hell, the current generation of MMOs essentially let this happen, so it is a bit of a shock to the system when it doesn't necessarily pan out that way for a change.

The question is, why are you so obsessed about how other people play the game?

I like this. There was a similar discussion a few days back when people were talking about min/max'ing and getting all their appropriate cross-class skills. Essentially you had the actual min/max'ers that formed groups of like minded people, and then you had the 'wannabe' min/max'ers who expected people to have all the cross class abilities, but didn't have them themselves and were outraged/upset when they were outted/passed over.

Maybe there is a dissonance between where people 'think' they should be, and where they actually should be 'in reality'. This also occurs a lot when people think they are 'more skilled' than they actually are, and then blame things like not having 40ms or other players when they mess up.

[Ryios]

Actually, I'm at work writing code occasionally skimming the forums like I do everyday I'm at work. I have a life too, I can't play 24/7. If I was at home yeah I wouldn't be on here right now. Just another example of someone labeling/sterotyping/assuming/excusing etc. Just because I'm on the forums doesn't mean I don't play. And no I'm not on the coil of bahamut I haven't gotten to that point yet. Wanting to succeed doesn't mean I have all the content clear, it just means I have cleared the content I've attempted or tried to. Will go fight Chimera tonight when I get home. Am I the best, hell no, but I try to be as good as I can be and eventually I will get to all the content, but I'm not trying to clear everything in one week like some people... I'm taking my time. As long as I'm ready to raid in Novemeber it's irrelevant.

[moody]

First of all, I don't take orders on what words I should use from someone who thinks the words 'loose' and 'lose' are interchangeable.

That aside, it's not the requirement of basic skills that makes people call someone an elitist. It's the attitude with which it's presented. If I'm messing up and someone makes a friendly suggestion on how I should handle things I say "Thank you!" and then I try it.

When I'm having trouble and someone instead insults me and goes on a long tirade about it, I'm less inclined to take that advice graciously.

[Evilized]

Don't try explaining things like strategy and common sense to Timmy, their brains aren't built in a way that they can understand. All Timmy knows is that he wants that cool looking armor and weapon too, even if he has to get every encounter nerfed in order to reach his goal.

[AdvancedWind]

I like the people who think people have issue with AF armor on Castrum or w/e. That's not the issue. If you have full AF + Level 48~ish gear on the other slots, you can do everything up to Ifrit and only someone who really has no idea what he's talking about will complain about your gear. I've never seen anyone in these conditions to be scolded for their gear. Never. I'm sure someone out there probably got a lot of abuse under these conditions, but that's not the norm.


The problem here, and that the duty finder item level restriction plans to address, is that there are people that somehow don't even have their AF armor on a level 50 job. It's not elitism to say "Hey, maaaaybe you shouldn't be doing Garuda with that bone ring equipped".

Yes, some people do have za skillz to beat AK naked, but not everyone is willing to believe that the random party member matched via DF is able to beat Titan with his level 40 weapon.

[dascorp]

This is not an rpg. Show me how the combat is RPG? This has become more of an action game... Dodge, avoid.