Loose use of the term "eliteist"

[Ruprect]

Skipped Wanderer's Palace. snip

I always forget about WP - your right you can use that to gear up for AK and primal HM's. Just CM is more efficient right now. I would at the very least recommend having an Ifrit weapon before entering AK. If you go into AK with nothing but your SM gear you are horribly gimping your group and making the run much harder than it has to be.

The only point to my post was to show some gear progression and not to just rush to hard content without at least getting some of the gear required and ruining others fun. If you are going to use the DF at least make an effort to gear up for what you are going to be doing. There is nothing about my post that is even remotely unattainable lol. Are you kidding me. You can get 2 pieces of DL jewelry for like 8 runs. even for the most casual that is a week of work for a few pieces of gear. The other option is to pay horribly inflated prices for jewelry on the market.

[EdwinLi]

I don't have problems with Hardcore people but only with Rushers.

Rusher tend to...
1) Scream at you for watching cutscenes and being new to the dungeon.
2) Scream at you for making a mistake
3) Scream at you and blame you for their own mistakes.
4) harass the entire party because they do not get their way
5) Brag about being Hardcore when they only leeched off of Better geared and skill players to get themselves where they are now. (I've seen some already shouting to have people in their party to be better gear than they are or overly geared for certain dungeon runs)
6) Always want to be the first to get everything new so they scream at others when they have their first chance held back by a few hours because of any event that may hamper their time to be first.

Hardcore I don't have a issue with because they.....
1) Take their time with the game to be the best not to be the first
2) Keep fighting until they actually win not Rage quit when there is a lot of time still remaining.
3) take any weakness and turn it into a strength. (If they lack a gear they will work to get it covered before jumping into higher tier endgame or if they need experience they actually do trial and error through the runs and see where they go wrong and how to fix it)
4) doesn't constantly brag about having the best gear.
5) doesn't blame others for their own mistakes.

[Jynxii]

Obv the player isn't doing their job...
1) Joins football team
2) dribbles the ball
LOL. Your first post is aimed at gear, not being an idiot.

In his defense, the two are often interchangable...

The definition of elitist is clearly that you have done the legwork to gear up for the content and want to succeed/clear it. Calling out people that are undergeared makes you an even bigger elitist because you're implying your gear is better than theirs (incidentally it is). I really don't understand why people are getting so worked up about being told they're not ready for some of the last pieces of content when they just hit level 50. Yes you can do HM Ifrit pretty fresh (easier for some roles), but getting your HM Ifrit weapon doesn't instantly make you a super star. Hit up CM/WP/AK and get your tombstones and some green gear like everyone else.

It is always great seeing a full team that made the effort to get their Darklight gear, and then you spot that one DRG that is in AF wielding his Ifrit spear... Hell, why don't we get a team together with nothing but Ifrit weapons and our AF1 and see how far we can take it? Probably not very. It is hardly elitist if you have invested the time to gear up, and don't want to carry people who feel/believe they are entitled to seeing all the content in the first few weeks.

[LordSideKicks]

To be told and to be screwed are two different things. To leave asap without saying anything is also bad too. Some ppl are just too impatient and bad mannered.

* I like the ppl talking during this timing though. More calm and well mannered.

[Kayo]

We are not elitists, we are gamers.

An elitist (afaik) is a useless tool that causes drama over b/s that isnt necessary. In other words foaming at the mouth at other players who likely arent as well geared as they are or play as well. Those other players are usually doing fine for the content, both gear and performance-wise, but the "elitist" prick still whines and or talks down their nose. He/she doesnt actually care wether other players are doing fine ... he/she ego is so boosted by their digital armor and skills (they THINK they have) at following another persons rotation that they feel some god-like ranking among ants. Thats an elitist, in short, an egomaniacal tool that talks down to others because he believes (right or wrong) everyone should be performing as well as they believe they are.

Telling someone, politely, that they arent ready for a certain fight because of what you mentioned is perfectly fine. That is assuming you somehow have a dev confirmation on what is actually required... most dont. I should also add that thinking one needs to have gear as good as yours or better to defeat content when you, in fact, have no objective proof on the minimum req. does make you an elitist and an idiot.

Making fun, yelling, and/or picking on someone for the same reason doesnt make you elitist either ... it just makes you a prepubescent ahole that types like he has down syndrome and lacks the ability to form coherent sentences. (example: "lawl wtfbbqsauce u newb! y u sux so bad? l2p git sum better gear, herp, derp," etc)

[texhnolyze]

When you hit lv50, if you've done all main-story and sidequests as well, your whole gear is white (except the AF), and you have some iLv47 items (a ring and bracelets if I remember correctly.

i'm not defending the OP, as i also see some fails in his logic
however, you would be surprised to know that there are actually people who get to 50 by fate grinding and start doing AK with only AF gear, level 40 weapon, and 20-30 accessories
why bother with mediocre gear (crafted gears which you can buy, GC gears, and wanderer palace gears) if you can skip them and go for darklight instead?
you know, just like a carrier in a MOBA games

if you're asking for certain gear for lv 50 story dungeons, now that's an elitist

[Jynxii]

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I believe the term you're looking for is 'douchebag'. It really seems like there are two major issues here (with the player base?). People will throw the term elitist on ANYONE who calls them out for being under geared. They don't have to even be a jerk about it. This was illustrated in another thread where an AF DRG found his way into HM Titan, and was asked to leave as he was severely under geared, and people came to the thread to accuse the person of being an elitist. Then you have those douchebags that have invested copious amounts of time in the game already and act like they are superior to everyone else because their gear is better, and give people a hard time because they aren't as 'leet' as them.

I've got a near full set of Darklight gear (woopdie-doo), and do I get annoyed when someone in AF1 and an Ifrit weapon stumbles into a Garuda run? Yeah a little. Do I get even more annoyed when this clearly under geared player also fails the mechanics, essentially making it one DPS less in a DPS heavy fight? Yeah, a little. Do I act like a jerk and rage at them for it, showing how superior I am? No, because I'm not a douchebag, and in reality, my gear is better. I don't know them any more than I know the next set of pixelated dots; how could I be 'better'(or worse) than them?.

Does this criteria make me an elitist because I expect people to put in the time to get geared for the content they are attempting, instead of stumbling into it because "I got my HM Ifrit weapon and now it is time to upgrade to the HM Garuda weapon!". Incidentally, we did almost clear that fight, but the other 3 DPS were in full Darklight sets...

When they add gear checking on dungeons/raids, these issues won't exist as much, because the circumstances won't occur any more, because if you aren't geared enough for it, you aren't getting in no matter how much you kick and scream and claim you are entitled to experience all the content because you bought the game and are paying monthly! (will be interesting to see who is actually around after the first month...)

[AlexionSkylark]

The problem is far worse than this which you state in the OP.

The problem is like this... let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that you have a dungeon, which is tuned for a lvl 50 character with a gear level of around 60.
Now, people are not asking for lvl 60. they are asking for gear level 70, or even 80, because they don't wanna RUN the dungeon, they want to RUSH the dungeon roflstomping every enemy on their way in a mad speedrun to farm tokens as fast as it's humanly possible exploiting the content as much as they can.

And this is not a problem with SE, it's a problem with that kind of jerkish playstyle. Granted, SE could implement measures to prevent overgearing of content...

[Ruprect]

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AF1 gear and an Ifrit weapon is not under geared for Garuda. lol They should probably have a few DL jewelry pieces to replace their lvl 28 jewelry but that fight is super easy. Although you should probably be over geared if you are going to be pugging this as you will most likely be carrying at least one player.

[Jynxii]

AF1 gear and an Ifrit weapon is not under geared for Garuda. lol They should probably have a few DL jewelry pieces to replace their lvl 28 jewelry but that fight is super easy.

Hey if the adds die before popping up in the middle to gib people, I don't really care, lol. Despite my, what some may call an elitist view, I am incredibly lax and don't get anywhere near as worked up as some people. If we wipe a few times, it is okay as long as we are making progress and learning. If we wipe a dozen times, and the same person is dying to the same mechanic every time, then my face starts to twitch a bit (Sheldon style).

As I said, it was one person with 3 other people in full Darklight gear, so the fight was getting done, but I'm not sure the DPS requirement would be reached if all 4 dps were in AF1 and Ifrit weapons, although I haven't tried it myself, so I could be wrong. :P